During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Actually, I should have a candidate later on from Outbreak (one I've actually been—low-priority—meaning to rewatch for years). I should think these posts are entirely fine.
Well I recently wanted Contagion (nobody counts which isnt really a suprise but Krumwiede is a total prick) today as well, I guess people are kinda morbid...
Alright give me a day. Despite it being a dulogy. He only shows up in person in the second book but alot of his crimes are detailed in the first.
Edited by miraculous on Mar 27th 2020 at 12:59:43 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Eugene
For Transformers: Cyberverse, my sister called the Starscream of that show "hilariously irredeemable", so he might be a keeper. But I haven't watched Cyberverse so I can't say, although Cyberverse is relatively new, so have we passed 2 weeks yet?
"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"Alright, I'll have two effortposts today. The second of these will be Bloodshot since discussion's elapsed, but before then I've got a manga keep to offer.
What's the setting?
Fukashigi Philia is a Shonen manga from 2011 written by Tsutsui Taishi focusing on Tasuku, a high-schooler with unusual strength and resolve who fights alongside his friends Miisha, Rikiya and Yuugo to scour the streets of evil and deliver "justice" to those who would seek to prey on the innocent. Lucky thing, too—dead people have been resurrecting with strange abilities known as "Gifts," many of them terrorizing the innocent in revenge for whatever led to their deaths. Tasuku is one of these people, but he's unconscious of his own power—rewinding time. All while this is going on, Tasuku is dealing with a strange, mute girl named Noa whom he saves from human traffickers, and branded upon her hand is the symbol of the man Tasuku is looking for.
See, Tasuku's family died in the backstory and he was taken in by a kindly man named Isumi Yuunagi who practically raised Tasuku as his own son. Three years ago Isumi vanished mysteriously. The deeper Tasuku probes, the more he realizes maybe that was for the best...
Who is Isumi Yuunagi? What has he done?
The kindly, smiling Isumi of Tasuku's memories is, very literally, a fake memory. The real Isumi is a crime lord, a human trafficker who profits off human misery and selling off victims as slaves and sex toys. This business includes children—Isumi is chronologically introduced, eight years ago, offering to take the young step-son of Sentetsu, one of his 'clients' (i.e. someone Isumi's trapped in debt slavery) as collateral. Sentetsu tells Isumi to piss off, and Isumi warns vengeance before disappearing.
Isumi has destroyed countless lives, keeping his slaves drugged up when he's not selling them, casually seen on the phone once discussing a slave who committed suicide by chewing off her own tongue and chuckling off the matter. In-between the human trafficking, Isumi maintains a human life and even seems to have a beloved daughter of his own, Yusuzu, whom he dotes upon...until Yusuzu broaches the subject of having other friends, or indeed talking to anyone aside from her own father. Isumi is possessive of Yusuzu to a disturbing degree, to a borderline incestuous point. Isumi emotionally abuses her and tries to shut her off from the rest of the world, and when he catches his daughter being walked home from school by an elementary-aged Tasuku in a rainstorm, Isumi decides no vengeance is too great for Tasuku for being nice to his daughter.
Isumi breaks into Tasuku's house and promptly murders both of his parents in front of Tasuku and his little sister, Nao. Isumi promptly cuts Tasuku's throat next, the stress of which is enough to activate Nao's powers in shock. In short, Nao—who's actually Noa—has understated Reality Warper powers, and the entire premise of the manga as well as the resurrection of people with Gifts is because of the wish she made upon Isumi slaughtering her family before her: a "world full of heroes." Isumi is killed by the shock of Nao's wish but promptly resurrected...with a Gift of his own; Mind Control. Isumi promptly found out Tasuku's new Gift was to rewind time, and finally hits his true streak of evil.
For five straight years, Isumi brainwashes Tasuku and Nao to live as his mind-controlled torture-slaves. Isumi exploits Tasuku's powers to rewind time in order torture Tasuku to death before bringing him back and doing it all over again, over and over and over. Isumi forces Nao to watch while forcing to both of them to enjoy it, turning the two of them into shattered wrecks of themselves. Furthermore, his own daughter, Yusuzu, doesn't escape the consequences of his retribution. Isumi uses his powers to make anyone who talks to his daughter forget her within a day, totally shutting her off from the world, all so Isumi and Isumi alone can "love" her with nobody else ever the wiser...
Five years pass. Isumi dodges the consequences of massacring Tasuku's family by using his powers to frame Sentetsu, his old 'client,' watching as Sentetsu was imprisoned for life, but Isumi is eventually done in by Tasuku's best friend, Yuugo, who gets him with a meat cleaver. Still not truly dead, Isumi's final action is to attempt to rewrite Yuugo's entire personality to override it with his own in order to live on. Isumi is only partially successful—he only fuses himself with Yuugo's consciousness, and in one more act of spite Isumi brainwashes Tasuku to believe Isumi was, in fact, Tasuku's beloved parental figure (instead of, y'know, the person who tortured him for five years).
Long story short—Nao/Noa basically becomes the other Big Bad as a consequence of her reality-warping powers and Isumi's tortures upon her—a Cosmic Retcon occurs that snaps the timeline back to the point Isumi killed Tasuku's parents. The future Tasuku and his friends return to confront Isumi, long enough for Yusuzu to call the cops on him. Isumi furiously attempts to stab his own daughter to death before the cops mow him down, finally putting the bastard down for good.
Any mitigating factors?
Uh, no. Isumi appears for all of one page to have a genuinely loving and doting relationship with his daughter before we see exactly what he's doing to her. His "love" is twisted beyond belief; if the implied Parental Incest and that "curse the entire world to forget my daughter so I alone can possess her" stunt wasn't enough, I think attempting to murder her in the end does it.
There's nothing else remotely worth talking about. Isumi brings Evil Is Petty to fascinatingly low depths: "this kid was nice to my daughter in a rainstorm, so better murder his entire family and torture him for five years while rewriting his mind to enjoy it." Seems legit.
Conclusion?
Keeper. Freaking easy keeper.
Edited by Scraggle on Mar 27th 2020 at 3:07:42 AM
Isumi.
I have noticed that the kind of characters (such as the aforementioned Isumi) who traffic human beings tend to abuse their own children, if they have any. Just ask Alex Zorgen, who conditioned his own child into being an abuser and a slaver. I have no reason to believe that this doesn't happen with real life Human Traffickers either.
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Captain Obvious, at your service.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 27th 2020 at 5:48:40 AM
to Isumi, Rosalind, Caleb, Lemi and Axel. Having happened to just see Outbreak for the first time this week (in the Synchtube Troper Coven
- I've recognized quite a few movies/monsters there from discussion here, despite not seeing other overlap between the two groups) and mused about bringing it up here, I very much look forward to that one as well.
Edited by YamiVizziniX on Mar 27th 2020 at 5:42:55 AM
There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.

No to Eugene. I may have a candidate eventually from a book featuring a pandemic that causes people to explode into flame; I assume that would be fine as well? I'm guessing yes, but I just want to make sure.
Edited by falcontalons on Mar 27th 2020 at 12:40:19 PM