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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the Candidate to other characters in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 28th 2020 at 3:04:23 AM

DemonDuckofDoom Keep away from Pumpkinhead from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Keep away from Pumpkinhead
Mar 25th 2020 at 6:20:48 PM

[tup] Christian, Kaliyah, Radabust and Malcifer

[tdown] Moribito duo and Brinkman

Abstain on Molech

Ongoing Projects
Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mar 25th 2020 at 6:57:48 PM

Sending your assassins to a situation where you know they'll die is a dick move, but it's not pushing it to CM level for me.

I was told on some Discord server that "Mate, tell that to Ghirahim and Vicious. You know what I'm referring to". If Rogsam and Yuguro don't have anything special, I'd ask, what makes Vicious and Ghirahim so special to be on this trope? Because so far, both Ghirahim and Vicious look almost similar to Rogsam and Yuguro. Thoughts?

Edited by IukaSylvie on Mar 25th 2020 at 10:59:44 PM

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Mar 25th 2020 at 7:00:27 PM

That I don't honestly care what someone says outside this forum says, and Vicious has a number of twisted deeds besides while Ghirahim sends an army of monsters to "die by Link's blade or mine" and tries to destroy the world.

Vicious tries to force his girlfriend to murder her lover (his supposed best friend), murders his foster father after bombing a shuttle nearby and kills way more people. The comparison doesn't work.

Edited by Lightysnake on Mar 25th 2020 at 7:01:37 AM

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mar 25th 2020 at 7:02:25 PM

[up] What about forcing an entire clan to live in false shame for fifteen years and betraying your own brother for prestige and to fulfill the wish of someone who you know has brought misery to your brother and your entire clan?

Edited by IukaSylvie on Mar 25th 2020 at 11:02:52 PM

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Mar 25th 2020 at 7:03:16 PM

That doesn't even come close here. Shaming people is not CM-worthy.

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mar 25th 2020 at 7:04:20 PM

[up] Then what's CM-worthy? Not even a combination of You Have Outlived Your Usefulness and He Knows Too Much? Not even calling your own kin a monster in disguise even though you know otherwise?

Edited by IukaSylvie on Mar 25th 2020 at 11:08:12 PM

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Mar 25th 2020 at 7:05:49 PM

Genocide, rape, torture, multiple murders of innocent people. Literally all I see is he sends his assassins to their deaths, which is a dick move. Deeply personal crimes coupled with the other that distinguish one as genuinely horrific.

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mar 25th 2020 at 7:11:20 PM

[up] What about forcing your brother's physician to kill his own master under threat of killing the physician's little daughter, only to order the father and daughter dead anyway?

Edited by IukaSylvie on Mar 25th 2020 at 11:13:21 PM

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Mar 25th 2020 at 7:13:19 PM

Again, bad. But this is what villains do. There isn't much here.

Want to contrast Duke Damiya, by the same writer? A murderer who starts a bloody war, threatens to murder a school full of kids?

Mar 25th 2020 at 7:15:28 PM

Out of curiosity, do you think it's possible to have a CM for a Show Within a Show? I don't have one in mind, just asking.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Mar 25th 2020 at 7:23:15 PM

[up] I think as long as the work stands on its own, it's ok. Keep that in mind when you do find an example.

Welcome to the party, pal!
Mar 25th 2020 at 7:30:03 PM

Probably if the show within the show is the main plot, and the show it's inside is a mere Framing Device.

Also if the show is Retconned into a show within a show.

Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Mar 25th 2020 at 7:45:07 PM

Heck, to compare to a non keeper. The recently proposed Mehmed sends an entire army of his own guys to be slaughtered by Drac as a distraction.

While the standard of the film is too jacked, That's the type of stuff where "sends minions to die" would be CM-Level.

Evolution Requires Sacrifice
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Mar 25th 2020 at 8:11:26 PM

Critica 7: We actually did just get up an example from an In-Game Novel in The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel. So that answers it, I suppose.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Mar 25th 2020 at 8:12:33 PM

Yes to Irena, Ullrich, Korbitt, Rogsam, Yuguro Musa, the Cabreros, Malcifer, Kaliyah and Radabust.

@ SkyCat32, I think it's hard to take a dramatic weight of something that is fictional within the context story itself seriously enough for there be a monster in it, IMO.

Years ago someone brought up an episode of Star Trek: Voyager called Living Witness, where a piece of fiction portrayed Captain Janeway as a genocidal maniac who killed millions of people, now that piece of fiction was a work of propaganda presented as a documentary in the far future and becomes debunked by the end. I am not sure that a fictional version of Janeway should treated the same way villains who are considered real by the text are in the Star Trek Universe.

Edited by Overlord on Mar 25th 2020 at 8:18:48 AM

Mar 25th 2020 at 9:03:55 PM

Hello, I would like to propose the character Duncan Taylor, from Geostorm, as a complete monster.

Who is he, what did he do and why do I think he qualifies? Duncan is the Dutch Boy's Software Engineer, who for greed's sake and for a salary much richer than the salary paid to scientists, decided to help Leonard Dekkon in his terrorist plans to wipe out much of the world's population. As a software engineer, he was responsible for carrying out the service of putting viruses in the Dutch Boy's system, which generated all the disasters caused by the satellite, making him almost directly responsible, in addition to Dekkon, for all the destruction and deaths caused for the Dutch Boy's failures. In addition, when a team set out to fix the problems that the Dutch Boy was causing, Taylor implanted another virus in the team's spaceship, which programmed it for self-destruction, which would eventually kill everyone who was there. When Jake recognized that he was the only person who could have put this virus in the system and confronted him, beating him up, Taylor revealed his true face and how sociopathic he is. Not only does he reveal that he came across the task purely for money, but he also shows sadism by asking Jake if he wasn't curious to see the world burn. Even after Jake talks about his daughter, Duncan still doesn't care and goes to fight with him. He tries to shoot Jake, but ends up breaking the window of the lunar module and being sucked out.

As I said, all of this was done because of Taylor's greed and sociopathy, since Dekkon only needed to bribe him with a salary much higher than what he received so that he would end up killing countless people around the world. world, in addition to the ship's own team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRBjHOlDKTA

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
Mar 25th 2020 at 9:12:27 PM

Please use this template for your proposal. Itís a neater way to describe your candidate and youíll be able to give details that can help us determine if the character qualifies or not.

Edited by Draxterrus on Mar 26th 2020 at 12:15:02 AM

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mar 25th 2020 at 9:40:19 PM

~Lightysnake, Yuguro is a Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist risking the lives of several hundred men, including his nephew, for prestige without their knowledge; even Kahm (though vaguely) senses that Yuguro's plan to overthrow the Mountain King would end in disaster. It is not like Guardian of Heaven and Earth where everyone knows at least some of them would die in their resistance to the Talsh invasion. Is it still not enough?

Edited by IukaSylvie on Mar 26th 2020 at 1:41:48 AM

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Mar 25th 2020 at 9:42:21 PM

So...he doesn't kill anyone, just risks their lives?

PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
Mar 25th 2020 at 10:14:24 PM

[up] I mean, is he malicious about it? Or just reckless?

[tup] to Lord Winter

Iíve got some things for you guys. First off in the Giant Robo ymmv, someone out Johnny soccer from GR: Giant Robo below the tv shows C Ms. I donít think he was E Ped as I canít find one. Here is the writeup.

Another thing is that I edited the writeup for Cut! To make it a little more accurate, since it looks like Brad is here to stay. I changed the line about him creating the curse to become part of a curse, as itís more accurate. Plus, I also added From Nobody To Nightmare since if feel like it fits, with him being an actor who turned into discount Freddy Kruger

My New Writeup Cut (2000): Brad, once an actor in the slasher movie Hot Blooded!, became enraged when he was fired from his role as the movie's villain, Scarman. He kills the director by cutting out her tongue, and almost kills his co-star Vanessa before she kills him. After his death, he becomes part of a curse on the film, killing anyone who views or tries to finish Hot Blooded!as the film's villain Scarman, including a student director who viewed the work print, and electrocuting the film's producer when he tried to finish the film. When a group of student filmmakers try to complete Hot Blooded!, Brad starts killing everyone involved with the production, from the directors to the projectionist who screened them the work print. When unmasked, Brad mocks those who he is trying to kill, and wastes no time killing two police officers who encounter him. Seemingly destroyed, he survives in another print of the film, ready to kill a theater full of people at the end of the movie.

Old Writeup Cut (2000): Brad, once an actor in the slasher movie Hot Blooded!, became enraged when he was fired from his role as the movie's villain, Scarman. He kills the director by cutting out her tongue, and almost kills his co-star Vanessa before she kills him. After his death, he becomes Scarman and curses the film, killing anyone who views or tries to finish Hot Blooded!, including a student director who viewed the work print, and electrocuting the film's producer when he tried to finish the film. When a group of student filmmakers try to complete Hot Blooded!, Brad starts killing everyone involved with the production, from the directors to the projectionist who screened them the work print. When unmasked, Brad mocks those who he is trying to kill, and wastes no time killing two police officers who encounter him. Seemingly destroyed, he survives in another print of the film, ready to kill a theater full of people at the end of the movie.

Thoughts?

Edited by PureGrainAlkaSeltzer on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:19:11 PM

I have no idea what I am doing
Mar 25th 2020 at 11:22:34 PM

Letís go with my proposal from Duncan Taylor, from Geostorm, to be a Complete Monster

What is the Work?

Geostorm is a Sci-fiction movie in which After the earth suffered drastic climatic changes and was plagued by a series of natural disasters, scientists and authorities from around the world came together to build a satellite that could solve such problems and called him Ducth Boy, which would work by controlling the climate and wheater. However, one day, a virus enters the Dutch Boy's system and begins to generate a series of natural disasters around the world, causing mass destruction and death. In the end, they discover that the person responsible for implanting this virus and causing all this damage to the land through the Dutch Boy was Secretary of State Leonard Dekkom. that it intended to decimate all those it considers economic rivals of the USA, to guarantee that the North American country again has the hegemony that it had in the past. However, Dekkom did not this work alone. For that, he needed the help of a corrupt software engineer who worked on the Dutch Boy's system.

Who is Duncan Taylor and What have he Done?

Duncan is the Dutch Boy's Software Engineer, who for greed's sake and for a salary much richer than the salary paid to scientists, decided to help Leonard Dekkon in his terrorist plans to wipe out much of the world's population. As a software engineer, he was responsible for carrying out the service of putting viruses in the Dutch Boy's system, which generated all the disasters caused by the satellite, making him almost directly responsible, in addition to Dekkon, for all the destruction and deaths caused for the Dutch Boy's failures. In addition, when a team set out to fix the problems that the Dutch Boy was causing, Taylor implanted another virus in the team's spaceship, which programmed it for self-destruction, which would eventually kill everyone who was there. When Jake recognized that he was the only person who could have put this virus in the system and confronted him, beating him up, Taylor revealed his true face and how sociopathic he is. Not only does he reveal that he came across the task purely for money, but he also shows sadism by asking Jake if he wasn't curious to see the world burn. He tries to shoot Jake, but ends up breaking the window of the lunar module and being sucked out.

Do Duncan Taylor have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Absolutely none. The only motivation for him to assist Dekkom in his terrorist plans is greed, sociopathy and the desire to receive much more money than he, as a scientist and software engineer, receives, since Dekkon only needed to bribe him with a salary higher for that he would use the Dutch Boy for killing countless people around the world, in addition to the ship's own team. Furthermore, he shows no redemptive aspect or any tragic history. Receiving little money would never justify accepting the death of billions of innocent people around the world. Even after Jake talks about his daughter, Duncan still doesn't care and goes to fight with him. If his life or loved ones (if he actually has) had been threatened by Dekkom and that had motivated him to implant the virus in the system, we could consider it. However, he was bribed and accepted with great pleasure.

Do Duncan Taylor meet the Heinousness Standard?

He certainly does it because he is willing to cause mass destruction and the terrible death of millions of innocent people around the world, in addition to killing the entire Dutch Boy team, and doing all of this simply to earn more than he wins, without care a second about the lives that will be lost. Which in itself demonstrates extreme selfishness and sociopathy. Duncan is no less bad than Dekkom, who devised the plan, while he, as a software engineer, was in charge of executing it with the greatest joy, which he demonstrates by asking Jake with a smile on his face: "You are not curious to see the world burn?Ē. As I said, he accepted a bribe that served his interests regardless of the massive loss of life and did nothing forced or threatened. Final Verdict? Like Dekkom, I believe that he should also be considered a Complete Monster because of his sadism, his predisposition to cause millions of deaths, which does not differ from that of Dekkom, helping him out of pure financial interest, and his sociopathy, in not matter with the deaths of billions of people, but with their own selfish gains over those deaths.

Edited by caio202 on Mar 26th 2020 at 7:19:06 AM


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