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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#205826: Mar 18th 2020 at 1:58:24 AM

[tup] Adompha & Satan.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#205827: Mar 18th 2020 at 3:18:48 AM

I'm thinking Valiant goes to Western Animation.

Charlotte's going with next week's batch.

65: Maybe make it "including her new husband Terry and their 4-year old daughter Cyan"?

[tup] Sheridan; Michael; Tharquin; Adompha (any reason Drewluas doesn't also count?).

Satan...abstain. It's bad, but only one victim.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#205829: Mar 18th 2020 at 3:25:43 AM

Dwerulas has equal complicity and responsibility for Adompha's atrocities, and the story takes numerous occasions to emphasize his evil is on level with Adompha's. The only reason I hesitate on Dwerulas counting as well is how the two are portrayed in contrast to each other by the end; Adompha's murder of Dwerulas is vile and cowardly, but Dwerulas' murder of Adompha is portrayed as more darkly awesome and karmically-earned (if not technically morally superior in any way).

I don't know. Is that an arbitrary reason to think someone doesn't count? If it is, I'll happily include Dwerulas in Adompha's writeup.

Edited by Scraggle on Mar 18th 2020 at 4:26:04 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#205830: Mar 18th 2020 at 3:35:14 AM

[tup] to Sheridan, Andrews, Tharquin, Adompha and Satan.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#205831: Mar 18th 2020 at 3:38:09 AM

I mean, I would be willing to see arguments for Dwerulas, and I am already leaning towards a very slight yes, although that is muddied by the work's apparent Moral Myopia double standard.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 18th 2020 at 6:39:40 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#205832: Mar 18th 2020 at 3:54:03 AM

Karmic maybe, but nothing redeeming IMHO. At the very least, Dwerulas can at least be mentioned in the writeup.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#205833: Mar 18th 2020 at 4:35:04 AM

[tup]Dwerulas as well.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#205834: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:06:44 AM

Okay how is this?

  • Live-Action Film: Clown/Violator is as monstrous as his comic counterpart. The chief lieutenant of the devil Malebolgia, who sent him to Earth to start Armageddon, he's a revolting demon who gets off on violence and depravity, even at the expense of his allies. He makes a deal with black ops security chief Jason Wynn by offering him dominion of the world in exchange for creating a bioweapon that would kill most of humanity, after first having it tested on thousands of people. Malebolgia can then use the souls of the dead as his army to invade and destroy Heaven. Clown initially orders the death of Al Simmons/Spawn at Wynn's hands, recruiting Simmons after his return to Earth to lead Hell's army. He convinces Wynn to attach the virus to his heart rate after letting Spawn kill Wynn's top assassin, Jessica Priest, then manipulates Spawn into killing Wynn to release the virus. When this fails, the frustrated Clown tries to rape Spawn's ex-fiance Wanda in front of Spawn while forcing him to watch, and promises that he'll slaughter the rest of Wanda's family—including her new husband Terry and their 4-year old daughter Cyan—when he's done.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#205835: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:10:20 AM

First time in my life that reading gave me a headache.

What is the work? The Prague Cemetery is the magnum opus of philosopher Umberto Eco, written on a Self-Imposed Challenge to create the most despicable Villain Protagonist in literature. A non-linear Historical Fiction Conspiracy Thriller, the book explores the diary of Simone Simonini, an amnesiac man suffering from symptoms of dissociative identity disorder, and the occasional appearance of an unnamed narrator investigating the diary; the narrator is less of a character and more of a plot device. Turns out Simonini was once a criminal... A criminal with a vast Historical Rap Sheet.

Who is he? "Captain" Simone Simonini is... many things, but most importantly, Simonini is hatred personified: "Odi ergo sum. I hate therefore I am". Simonini is an anti-semite, a misogynist, and hates almost every nation, religion, race and person under the sun, including his own family; the only thing Simonini doesn't hate? Exquisite cuisine. Raised by a distant father and a paranoid grandfather, an anti-jesuit and an anti-semite respectively, their ridiculous conspiracy theories introduced Simonini to racism. Even as a young boy, Simonini had his moments of Troubling Unchildlike Behavior; when he heard the story of a "Whore of Babylon" called Babette, Simonini was startled but also "longed to be like her, a secret and all-powerful agent who forged passports and led victims of the other sex to perdition". After his grandfather's death, Simonini was recruited by the lawyer who disinherited him, Notaio Rebaudengo, and became his apprentice, using his kills to forge documents—"So is this my trade? It's a marvelous thing creating a legal deed out of nothing, forging a letter that looks genuine, drafting a compromising confession, creating a document that will lead someone to ruin."—while making some contacts through him. A master manipulator and a backstabber, Simonini offered his abilities to the Pidmont government, taking the opportunity to imprison his elderly master for the rest of his life and inherit his office.

To get accepted into the secret service, Simonini sold out over twenty students to the government, his companions, by convincing them to prepare for a rebellion and indirectly making the police shoot at one of his buddies—"through Simonini was hardly concerned wether it was fatal or not"—and even had the audacity to comfort the families of his friends. After accusing Napoleon III of being an enemy of Piedmont in one of his documents for the service, Simonini is planted as The Mole in Garibaldi's Thousand to gather state secrets, admiring the moment to reflect on how "Wars are the most effective and natural way imaginable for stemming the increase in human numbers". Slowly revealing his true colors as a Psycho for Hire, Simonini manipulates a Shell-Shocked Veteran into unwillingly sacrificing himself by blowing up an entire ship just to destroy some confidential papers, knowing very well that it would kill his own depressed friend, Ippolito Nievo and dozens of others, Simonini celebrates the massacre with food before stabbing the Demolitions Expert who told him about the bomb in the first place, Ninuzzo; Simonini is subsequently exiled to Paris to serve another administration.

In France, Simonini joins the Imperial secret service and organizes a conspiracy with the sole purpose of uncovering it himself just to be viewed favorably by his superiors, he repeated the same strategy from before and encouraged a group of rebels he had befriended, imprisoning them and taking the opportunity to assassinate not only Ninuzzo (who had survived the stabbing) but also a witness that could have been a danger to his future plans; the conspirators were then shipped off to a place where they would die of malarial fever. When one of his accomplices, Abbé Dalla Piccola, discovered that Simonini was "selling fiction for reality" through his plagiarized documents, Simonini impulsively murdered him and dumped his body in the sewers, adding his identity to his list of disguises. During the Franco-Prussian War and the Paris Commune, Simonini causes some stir; notably, he briefly works alongside a squad of Sociopathic Soldiers, assisting them in an operation that ended in an "easy massacre", profiting off the war afterwards.

When ordered to assassinate one of the few people that he respected, Joly, Simonini remorselessly murders him and makes it look like a suicide despite their supposed friendship. Enjoying the life of a spy and always finding ways to incriminate the Jews in his own conspiracy, the "Prague Cemetery", Simonini recruits a young Satanist who suffered from DID, Diana, to be used as a tool in his plans, keeping her sedated and drugged. After Simonini is tasked with organizing a riot, he incites students into acting as Bomb-Throwing Anarchists: "In short, a noisy protest turned into a riot, and from a riot to a hint of revolution. Plenty to keep the front pages busy for quite sometime.". Revealed to have been the mastermind behind the Dreyfus Affair, Simonini's actions divided the whole country: "Simonini appears not to have felt any remorse. Dreyfus' guilt was certain, given that it was he, Simonini, who had decided it. In the end, though, Dreyfus could just as well go to the devil or to his island. It was no longer any concern of Simonini's".

Shortly after participating in a Black Mass and taking drugs, Simonini finds out he had sex with Diana, and is shocked to learn that she's of Jewish descent, his reaction? "Not only have I had intercourse with a woman of the devil's stock, but with a Jewess, and if by this intercourse my seed had fertilized that belly, I would be giving life to a Jew. You cannot do this to me.", Simonini wastes no time in strangling her to death and then laughs it off—"Whatever happens, at least I won't be a father to a Jew."—before forcing his accomplice to take Diana's body to the sewers and executing him to Leave No Witnesses; the "carnal contact with Diana, the revelation of her vile origins, and her necessary death" managed to traumatize Simonini, he develops a split personality based on that of Dalla Piccola and begins communicating with himself through the diary, eventually understanding his condition and "killing" Piccola again.

His magnum opus before officially becoming a Retired Monster? Simonini forges what he calls The Protocols, the document that would one day become The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and he doesn't seem to care about the dangers of his creation: "Fortunately it wasn't up to me to eliminate an entire people, but I was making a contribution in my own modest way, and it was, after all, a profitable business. The Jews would never pay me to exterminate all Christians since there are too many and if it were possible they would do it themselves. Wiping out Jews, when all is said and done, is possible. As it is written in their Protocols, the end justifies the means."

After his "retirement", Simonini feels an "emptiness" inside of him—"If I were religious, I'd say it was guilt and that I was being tormented. But remorse for what, and tormented by whom?—and it doesn't take long for him to come up with a conclusion as to why he's so anxious after he agrees to bomb a metropolitan railway and wreak havoc in great cities: "What had been causing that emptiness I had been feeling for weeks, other than the sense of no longer being a protagonist? By accepting this assignment, I would be back in the front line. I would be helping to bring credit to my Prague cemetery, making it more probable and therefore more real than it had ever been. Once again, alone, I was defeating an entire race. I realize the whole purpose of my life has been to bring down that accursed race. Rachkovsky is right: Hatred alone warms the heart."; Simonini is spiteful enough to think about "taking care" of a Jewish "whore" who had rejected him when he was still a boy. Simonini, who, in the past, was okay with supplying a drug-addicted doctor named "Froide" with cocaine just because he was Jewish, makes the unwise decision to snort cocaine before detonating the railway. Simonini doesn't return to finish his diary.

Mitigating Factors? Here comes the interesting part. For a character that was intentionally created to be a deporable criminal, Simonini is, in fact, a complex individual. Whenever he (rarely) feels the slighest bit of remorse for his crimes, he always adds a "but" to justify himself and then quickly forgets about what he had done, this is best exemplified when Simonini imprisons Gaviali and assassinates Lacroix for being a danger to his plans, which happens after he remorselessly sinks a ship.

Though pleased with what happened to Ninuzzo, he felt rather sorry for Gaviali. He was, after all, a good sort who had placed his trust in him. But anyone involved in conspiracies has to accept the risks, and must trust no one. And it was a shame about Lacroix, who after all had done no wrong. But his widow would get a good pension out of it.
As a matter of fact, Simonini's hypocrisy when it comes to empathy and how the book manages to subvert his several potential positive qualities is a common theme, and it happens many, many times. Major examples include:

1. As a boy, Simonini tried to feel closer to his deceased father by reading his books, but attributed his death to "holy vengeance".

2. A Pedophile Priest tried to make sexual advances on him, and years later he would gladly work alongside him.

3. Simonini allegedly lives under the identity of a Captain in remembrance of his grandfather and the book implies that Simonini partially wanted to "settle the scores" with Notaio as payback for "ruining" his grandfather and by extension the inheritance, but the narrator himself says that Simonini was not saddened by his grandfather's death at all.

Simonini was not, it seems, unduly upset by the death of his grandfather. Perhaps he felt some affection towards him, but after a childhood and adolescence spent shup up in a household that appeared to have been designed to stifle him, in which his grandfather as well as his black-habited tutors had always inspired mistrust, bitterness and resentment toward the world, young Simonini had become increasingly incapable of nourishing feelings other than morbid self-love, which had gradually assumed the calm serenity of a philosophical conviction.

4. Simonini's upbringing was all about conspiracy theories, and while that may have inspired some of his xenophobia, Simonini not only began hating some groups (women included) entirely by himself, but he also criticized his grandfather for having a few sympathies. Also, Simonini got to know how conspiracy theories worked, and what did he do? He (ironically) began inventing them.

5. When killing the original Dalla Piccola, Simonini says he "Really was sorry, but it was a question of making a virtue of necessity" and seconds later proceeds to show zero remorse afterwards.

I looked at the body and felt not the slighest guilt. He had brought it upon himself.

6. Simonini was apparently worried about fighting against his own country as a spy (most likely because he was still part of that country, even his own superior told him that he was being an hypocrite), but after the Prussian invasion, Simonini simply says he "cared less about the political intrigues and the marches in various parts of the city".

7. Simonini claims that the atrocities committed by the soldiers left an impression on him, and then he goes on to assist those same war criminals.

8. Simonini was shaken by the death of his friend, Joly, but when his memories finally come back, Simonini feels no remorse for killing him.

Very well, perhaps I did kill Joly, but I was intent on achieving an end that justified the small means I was forced to use. Now that I was no longer beholden to Joly, I could work on my Prague Protocols.

9. Simonini initially tries to stop his accomplice from taking advantage of Diana's mental state to have sex with her, but he soon abandons the idea of protecting her.

Fine, I thought, someone has to satisfy those carnal urges of the "bad" Diana, provided it wasn't me. The idea of sexual contact with a woman is bad enough, but with a madwoman...

10. After Gaviali was imprisoned because of Simonini and managed to escape, Simonini is supposedly "pleased to restore a livelihood and respect to someone who, through life's vicissitudes, had the misfortune to lose them", but his solution to get rid of Diana's things? He gives them to Gaviali as a "gift", simply because he wouldn't ask any questions. And, by the end of the book, Simonini sees Gaviali as another inconvenience.

Gaviali wants to come with me, but I'm not going to let him... He's too slow, he'd get in my way.

11. The narrator wonders if Simonini developed a split personality to create someone to talk to and make up for his lonely childhood, Simonini's opinion on the matter is quite different, as he's more saddened about having to dispose of the disguise itself, rather than an imaginary friend.

Dalla Piccola had been useful not only for prying into Satanist and occultist circles, but also for deathbed appearances, when he was called by a close relative who would later be the beneficiary of the will that Simonini had forged, and if anyone were to raise doubt over that unexpected document, there would be evidence of a cleric who could swear the will reflected the last wishes expressed to him on the man's dying breath. Then, with the Taxil affair, Dalla Piccola had become essential, it was he who had dealt with practically the entire scheme for over ten years. It was a shame, then, that Dalla Piccola had to disappear, but Simonini had to wash his hands of the whole business, not just to erase the memories of those shameful events leading to the trauma, but because on Easter Monday, according to the plan, Taxil was to make his public confession, and with Diana now dead, it was better to remove all evidence of the plot in case someone began asking difficult questions.

And, finally, Simonini, moments before his last words, comes to the realization that Chronic Villainy is and will always be his way of life.

Heinous? Oh, God, yes. Simonini is basically the father of modern antisemitism.

Conclusion? Phew! That was a lot of information, my eyes are heavy. This is a hard one, I'll let you guys decide.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Mar 18th 2020 at 2:30:43 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#205836: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:21:35 AM

[tup]Simonini

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#205837: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:35:09 AM

Yes to "Captain" Simone Simonini. Truly fascinating character from what the EP states.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#205838: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:50:58 AM

[tup] Simonini.

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#205839: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:53:30 AM

[tup] to the Captain.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#205840: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:53:31 AM

[tup] Simonini - a well written character despite intentionally written to be as vile a bastard as possible.

Gave some more thoughts over the quotes proposed here.

[tup] to following quotes proposed in above link: Vassago Casals, first two Warlord quotes, Game!Moriarty, Cheshire Cat and Saito Sejima

[tdown] third and fourth warlord quote (not feeling it on those compared to the other two), Kenta Ayatsuri (nasty but not describing his own actions on page etc.), Muzan quote (a bit too long)

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falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#205842: Mar 18th 2020 at 6:08:21 AM

[tup] Dwerulas and Simonini.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#205843: Mar 18th 2020 at 6:27:48 AM

[tup] Simonini.

65: That works. Drafts please.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#205845: Mar 18th 2020 at 6:35:21 AM

Second to last Jinxyy EP :

What's the work?

The Unwanteds (archive) is a horror Web Original Fiction written by Jinxyy and published between June 10 and July 9, 2016. A 9-chapter long horror and supernatural story, the story deals with Valerie "Val" McCoy, Tabitha "Tabby" Meyer, Brooke and Leila Sanford. These girls, led by Val, use a mysterious spell to try and accomplish their wishes. More accurately, Val "had asked for freedom, to be set apart from the expectations of school and social services, to be out of the foster care system and on her own. Tabby had wanted attention, to be set apart(...)(Brooke) had wanted to be set apart from my family(..). And my sister (Leila)? She had wanted power, strength, confidence".

Sadly for them, an evil spirit is going to help them accomplish just that.

Who's the evil spirit/(perhaps)Maeve? What has it done?

Upon being summoned, the evil spirit starts things by possessing Leila. At first, it isn't obvious. Leila talks about a little girl named Maeve, whom she's the only one who can see. Leila becomes hell-bent on "protecting" Maeve, who gave her "everything" she wanted and would do the same for Brooke. The evil spirit eventually fully and permanently possesses Leila. Val, Brooke and the rest of the girls then attempted, through another spell, to call forth Maeve. Cue the possessed Leila/Maeve appearing covered in blood, announcing that any shred of Leila is gone, replaced by the spirit, and claiming that the girls' requests were fulfilled.

But see, the blood Maeve was covered in...

Isn't hers.

Cue Val, Tabby and Brooke realizing that the spirit/Maeve fulfilled their requests... By gruesomely slaughtering their families, to be the point Brooke and Leila's grandparents had their "eyes open and terrified even in death, only their faces left undamaged and free of blood.".

Heinousness?

Offing the main characters' families may be the only serious crimes the spirit/Maeve may have committed. However, it's huge levels of personal villainy, to the point I'm willing to give it a leeway. True, only Brooke and Leila's grandparents die on-screen, but it shows a pattern, and both Tabby and Val are left utterly traumatized and heartbroken by Maeve's crimes (so it isn't just Offscreen Villainy, as we see the consequences of such action), so I think it's a case where quality surpasses quantity. That, and she makes sure any trace of Leila in her own body is gone. Leila was the youngest main character.

Redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

While Leila develops some degree of sympathy for the spirit/Maeve due to a supposedly tragic past, the spirit/Maeve shows none of these supposedly sympathetic traits when she personally appears, and remains Nightmare Fuel through and through.

Generic Doomsday Villain issues?

None. Like to behave in a determined, assertive, Faux Affably Evil way towards the girls, and especially Brooke when possessing Leila, having called Brooke her "sister" when she actually meant none of it.

Any other mitigating factor?

None that I can think of. The spirit/Maeve may have committed only one crime, but I believe that it's a Shou Tucker situation : where the heinous standard is passed due to the sheer awfulness of that one action.

Verdict ?

Leaving her up to you.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Apr 12th 2022 at 5:39:52 PM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#205846: Mar 18th 2020 at 6:49:05 AM

Yes to Crow's, I'll read Georgie's in a bit and looking over the Scream: TV Series stuff I think the second Ghostface goes on for a bit too long in detail of his crimes when it could be better summarized. Here's one I just did:

  • Kieran Wilcox, from season 2, while playing the part of loving boyfriend to Emma, is in fact yet another copycat killer and accomplice of the aforementioned season 1 Ghostface. Personally killing Audrey's girlfriend, he also put Will in a Death Trap for Emma to trigger and saw the Sheriff—his own father—tortured and brutally murdered. In season 2, he torments the cast by viciously picking them off one-by-one, even dropping the corpse of one in front of his girlfriend and murders one of his girlfriends, while also killing off any cops who get in his way. Leaving Zoe's drowned body in a coffin underwater, he leaves a recording of her screams and struggles to have others, including her boyfriend, think they have a chance of saving her and frames Emma and Audrey for his own murder of the Mayor. Exposed in the finale, Kieran shoots his own cousin before gloating about his plan to murder and frame Emma for his crimes.

Thoughts?

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#205847: Mar 18th 2020 at 6:49:34 AM

Yes to the spirit.

[up]Seems like an improvement.

Edited by falcontalons on Mar 18th 2020 at 6:52:23 AM

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#205848: Mar 18th 2020 at 6:51:48 AM

[up][up] Sure, that seems better and shorter.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#205850: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:05:02 AM

Sure to the Spirit, and sure to the rewrite.


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