During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I'm going to have to say no to Yui's dad. Not impressed by his villainy, and honestly he comes off as legitimately fucked in the head to the point that I have concerns on if he's really in the right state of mind to be truly malevolent. And what doesn't help matters is the fact that he decided to use himself as meat instead of his daughter once she realized what he was doing. Similarly, while I trust Ravok's judgement with this stuff I think I'm also leaning no to Blacklight since he doesn't feel quite as severe as G.I. Joe IDW's other standout bad guys.
Btw for Decker. This for the quotes page ?
Decker: No. It’s basic human nature. Remove our inhibitions—remove consequences—and we want to watch someone die. If you can get over the squeamishness, it’s surprisingly satisfying. Like cracking your neck. Releasing tension. Feeling a little rush of exhilaration. And once, you’re past the initial thrill, it just becomes a question of how many.
Carla: You want to see how many you can kill before you lose the game.
Decker: Exactly.
Elfen Lied Fan claimed Parallel Paradise, and we have another candidate in Galia, the Sendorio Arc Villain. Thing is, Galia's been dead (ie finalized) for over a month in English and even longer in Japanese, and she hasn't gotten so much as an effort post. I tried sending a PM to Elfen Lied Fan but that was a while ago and I haven't heard back. If I may, I would like to work on Galia.
to Blacklight and Superintendent Decker (have to admit that quote is frankly terrifying).
Okay now feels like a good time for my fourth and final candidate from the original Morse series, this one I’m not so certain about but I feel he’s still worth discussing.
So here is what is probably the very worst victim that Morse and Lewis ever had to investigate (which considering their competition is by no means a small feat), I give you Ted Brooks from season 8’s "The Daughters of Cain".
Who Is he:
Edward "Ted" Brooks is an aggressive, irritable and utterly unpleasant man who spends most of his nights down the club drinking. A former boxer, who recently lost his job after working in service for several decades at an Oxford College. However, Ted proves that lying beneath his unappealing front he is in fact a dangerous and far worse man at heart.
What Does He Do:
A vicious and easily enraged thug, Brooks has been abusing his long suffering wife Brenda and his step-daughter Kay ever since he first married her carrying on for over two decades by the time of the episode. Ted would regularly beat them both for the most trivial reasons, such as on one occasion he slammed Kay into the oven purely out of envy that she had passed her exams when he had failed his own.
Unsurprising Kay cut all ties with as soon as she was old enough to get away, but Brenda stood with him out a misplaced sense of loyalty. Brooks’ abuse severely damaged her, leaving Brenda effectively living in terror, many nights she was forced to spend it with her friend Julia Stevens to afraid to stay under the same roof as Ted.
Having worked for years as a scout at Wolsey College, to supplement his income Ted took to drug dealing, exposing several vulnerable students to very strong drugs, initially offering them to provide them relief during their stresses at keeping up with the workload then once hooked continuing to encourage their addictions. His actions eventually lead to the eighteen year old Matthew Rodway jumping to his death whilst high.
To avoid the scandal the college agreed not press the enquiry on the condition that Brooks leave and never have any contact with the students again with Doctor Felix McClure, a kind hearted and popular academic, getting him another job working as a security guard at the Pitt River museum. However, the moment he was in the clear Brooks simply went straight back to drug dealing to the students in secret.
Doctor McClure caught wind that Brooks was up to his old ticks again and tried to expose him. As such Brooks decided to silence him, stealing a blunt ceremonial dagger with a very broad blade from his work (rearranging the case so no one would notice it had been taken), Brooks broke into McClure's home and brutally disembowelled the poor man.
However, on the way home he suffered a heart attack and was forced to abandon his bike. His time in hospital was short and mostly amounted to him abusing the staff for trying to serve him vegetables.
Returning home Ted simply went back to acting like nothing had happened, even straining Brenda’s arm for being a bit late home. However, murdering Doctor McClure proved to be too much for Julia, who killed Brooks by plunging the same dagger into his back.
Any Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Traits:
Absolutely nothing, Brooks is a through and through an unpleasant man. Whilst his wife seems to still possess some feelings for him, he never shows her anything but cruelty, regularly shouting or beating her for even the slightest annoyance.
He likewise despises his step daughter, apparently solely down to disliking having to raise a child that wasn’t his.
Apart from that Brooks has no other relationships.
Heinous Standard:
Brooks only has a single direct murder to his name (whilst he certainly is responsible and doesn’t care about it in the slightest, Rodway’s death was unintentional) granted one that is acknowledged by everyone to be quite brutal, and would have been an agonising painful way to die.
However, this is coupled with him spending decades viciously abusing his wife and stepdaughter. Whilst by no means unique to him, physical abuse is still a quite rare crime for the series.
Ted also exists at the bottom rung of resources for any criminal in this series, let alone when compared to my previous candidates. He is not a highly competent professional criminal, dangerously intelligent or in possession of wealth and influence. Ted is just a greedy thug with poor impulse control, his one stroke of cleverness being setting up the case so no would realise the theft of the knife. The irony being if he hadn't been murdered, he would definitely gotten caught as it only took a single meeting for Morse and Lewis to realist he was the culprit, with them preparing to arrest him when they found his body.
Conclusion:
I can understand if you don’t think Ted Brooks is heinous enough compared to the other Morse candidates but I felt he was at least worth discussing. Brooks is one of those cases of a collection of nasty actions, none of which would have been enough on their own, adding together.
Still what do you think?
Edited by MGD107 on Mar 12th 2020 at 3:32:31 AM
And add Mulan and new mutants
to the list of postponed films.
I think I sadly need to vote Ted down. Godawful, but just...not quite over the line.
Alright, here goes:
Who Is She?
Well, here's a bit of backstory: Parallel Paradise by Lynn Okamoto (yup, the Elfen Lied guy) is about a boy named Youta Tada who was thrown (through a window on the third floor of his school) into a parallel fantasy world populated entirely by beautiful young girls. He learns two things: one, he's a Living Aphrodisiac to these girls, and two, the reason it's nothing but young girls is because of the God of Deep Jealousy. Said god cursed the world 3000 years before, exterminating all men and condemning the women to die when they turn 20. While mating with the girls can break the curse on the individual, Youta is so disgusted by the nature of this world that he vows to kill the God of Deep Jealousy and break the curse on everyone. After defeating a witch named Kai (another Complete Monster) who had taken over the port town of Lille, Youta and his lover Lumi follow a lead to the desert city of Sendorio. There they find sand, gunslinger maids, sand, crazy scythe-wielding sadists, a god who looks like a gecko with an eyepatch, sand, the ruins of modern-day Japan, sand, sand, more sand...
AND A DERANGED, EVIL BITCH NAMED GALIA.
What Has She Done?
Like Kai before her, Galia is a witch of the God of Deep Jealousy's cult, and like Kai she's been that way for thousands of years, having been granted immortality by her patron deity. Said immortality happens to be fueled by human flesh, and while she's been fasting for the past hundred years in her guise as the harmless, klutzy jester-girl Arara, she's as hungry as she's ever been. Her aim is to infiltrate Sendorio and awaken the God of Deep Jealousy that she worships, even if this means the destruction of all life in the parallel world. Upon doing so, she cheerfully slaughters three girls before forcing Youta to mate with Katsuchi, one of the Guardians in front of everybody on pain of slaughtering everyone in Sendorio, a feat that she could very well pull off singlehandedly. In order to up the stakes, she...
...Jesus Christ, I can't even bring myself to describe what she does to Kagachi. Let me just say, it ends up humiliating Katsuchi so bad the girl nearly commits suicide after all is said and done. If you really want to know, read the series. What she does serves as a sick time limit: if Katsuchi orgasms before she...before Galia's curse on her does what it's meant to do, she'll leave for a month, then come back, kill everyone and awaken the God of Deep Jealousy.
Anyhow, when she loses the bet, she saunters back to her friends in the Sendorio Resistance outside the city and kills and eats them to the last, having all of the members sit tied up and Forced to Watch and wait helplessly for their turn. Even after that, she's still famished, so she travels via transporter to Lumi's home city of Mies, intending to continue her feast. When her cover is blown, she decides to abandon all pretense of subtlety and blows up a group of girls with a magic energy blast, stating she will level the city unless someone gives themselves willingly to her. After a fierce battle with one of the Guardians, she claims victory and devours her, before leaving to sleep off her meal. Her intention is to keep this up for a month before heading back to Sendorio. Luckily, Youta and crew follow her back to Mies and battle her again: while they do manage to injure her, Galia goes One-Winged Angel and beats them all senseless before figuring 'screw it' and deciding to flatten Mies and everyone in it with a huge magic blast. By sheer luck, Youta figures out her weak point at the last minute and attacks it, scoring a One-Hit Kill. As Galia slowly dies, she gives Youta the talisman (read: keycard) needed to awaken the God of Deep Jealousy, taunting him one last time that should he use it, he'll be the first one the God kills, and claiming that she only regretted not mating one last time before dying. With that, she collapses into a puddle of sludge, dead as a doornail.
Sic transit Galia. May she burn in Hell.
Mitigating Factors?
Her word is her bond. And...yeah, she keeps her word, usually spinning in Exact Words and metaphorical truths in the process. Clearly it makes up for the cannibalism and rampant sadism she absolutely lives for. She's also one of the funniest characters in the manga, but that only underscores it when she decides to get serious and people start dying en masse.
Generic Doomsday Villain Issues?
Unlike Kai, who was a self-indulgent brute who rampantly abused her powers to do whatever she wanted, Galia was patient and wickedly intelligent, positioning herself in just the right place to get what she wanted. Unfortunately, what she wanted was to hurt people, physically if need be, but psychologically, forcing her victims to debase themselves preferably. She worships an evil god that will likely destroy the world when it's awakened, but she got immorality and a slew of other crazy magic power from it: she owes the guy.
Heinous Standard Issues?
It was mentioned In-Universe by multiple characters that Galia is the cruelest and most depraved of the Witches. Aaaaaand, yeah. Yeah, she's worse than Kai. Kai was a power-hungry, sadistic bitch, but she found enjoyment in actually lording over a city and ruling it from the shadows. Galia enjoyed psychologically breaking people for teh lulz and was very good at it.
Final Verdict?
to the most evil cannibalistic clown this side of Pennywise.
Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Mar 12th 2020 at 4:00:43 AM
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This is amazing.
Btw since you usually do a dracula film for Halloween could I send you a recommendation for one I heard off that should have a drac keeper assuming nothing happens.
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Blacula did it first actually.
Also goth Garth Nix 's new book Angel Mage. Will report back if anyone counts.
Edited by miraculous on Mar 12th 2020 at 4:02:22 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Oh, holy crap it is. It hooks you with the lewd, and then fascinating plot happens and it doesn't let up.
Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Mar 12th 2020 at 4:09:09 AM
Alright, that's five for Galia.
- Galia, a member of the Black Dawn, boasts a reputation of being the cruelest and most depraved member of an organization of cannibalistic witches. When she abandons her disguise as the harmless, klutzy Resistance member Arara, she proves she earned this reputation and then some, cheerfully killing three girls to establish dominance before cursing Katsuchi and making a cruel deal with Youta: either mate with Katsuchi before the curse forces the girl to debase herself in front of everyone, or she will slaughter everyone in Sendorio before awakening the God of Deep Jealousy. When she loses the bet, she keeps her word and leaves, while refusing to take the curse off of the girl: the resulting humiliation is so horrible Katsuchi nearly commits suicide over it. Galia heads back to the Sendorio Resistance headquarters, ties up her former comrades and forces them to watch as she systematically butchers and eats them one by one. Upon eating her way through the entire Resistance, a still-hungry Galia heads to Lumi's home city of Mies and once again establishes dominance by vaporizing a group of girls with her magic. Mies ultimately makes a deal with her: the city will surrender one girl a day for her to eat so that she doesn't destroy the city wholesale. She intends to keep this up for a month before heading back to Sendorio and finishing what she started: fortunately Youta and crew make it to Mies and engage her in a final battle, during which she loses her temper and decides to obliterate Mies on the spot. This attempt fails when Youta attacks her weak point: as she dies, Galia taunts him that the God of Deep Jealousy will kill him first, showing no remorse for her myriad crimes. Galia's sadism was only just hidden by her childish buffoonery, and it took very little for her mask to drop and reveal the twisted, evil hag beneath.
As for the God of Deep Jealousy...oh boy. Remember I said Wham Episode? Even in Japanese, we don't know nearly enough about the God of Deep Jealousy to make a judgement for Complete Monster. Hell, the reveal of the thing's true nature turned the entire story on its head.
Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Mar 12th 2020 at 4:36:32 AM

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