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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#204176: Mar 4th 2020 at 3:34:58 PM

Speaking of images, some of the ones on the image links page can't be viewed unless you're logged in to Google. That feels like something which should be corrected.

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G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#204179: Mar 4th 2020 at 4:05:48 PM

[tup] to Mimic, Sauron, Eve, the rewrite, and the Thousand Pic.

Alright, so I just finished watching the CSI trilogy and I’ve got a trio of candidates to discuss. First lets discuss the trilogy

What’s The Work?

The CSI Trilogy is a crossover event that links all three CSI television shows (Miami, NY, and Las Vegas) where Lawrence Fishburne’s character, Dr. Raymond Langston, travels to Miami, New York, and Las Vegas in search of Madeleine Briggs, a girl that was kidnaped by a black market human trafficking ring called the Zetas, known for kidnapping women all over America to harvest their organ and other body parts, and Force them into prostitution and sex slavery

Now among the members of the Zetas I picked out these three as I believe them to be the worst where they each made their debut in one part of the crossover. Since this crossover starts off in Miami I’m starting with the candidates that debuts in the Miami episode “Bone Voyage”, Jimmy Burris.

Who Is Jimmy Burris? What Has He Done?

Jimmy Burris is a pimp located in Miami that recruits girls all over Miami into working for him by posing as a recruiter for an modeling agency. However this is just a front to hide his true intentions of kidnapping these women for Zeta where he forces them to become prostitutes and force them to have sex with his clients, where Jimmy would also takes advantage of his imprisoned girls by having sex with them himself.

When one of his girls, Ashley Tanner, tries to escape from him, Jimmy tracks her down and takes her back where he would then dismember (butcher) her while she’s alive leading to her painful and horrific death before dumping her chopped up body in the Everglades. When the CSI team identifies Jimmy as Ashley Tanner’s killer, Raymond demands Jimmy to tell him where Madeleine Briggs’ is, only for Jimmy to say that he already gave her to another member of the Zetas, Casey Steele

Who Is Casey Steele? What Has He Done?

Casey Steele appears in the episode “Hammer Down” and is a member of the Zetas whose responsible for for collecting the abducted women and transporting them to various cities across the U.S. When he would transport these women, Steele would sedate them in his truck and would murder them either to harvest their organs or if they just annoyed him.

Steele is also willing to cut them open to remove their organs, while they are still alive and without any anesthesia, which led to the women to die horrifically and in excruciating pain, already butchering and killing numerous women with this type of method with one such example being Debbie Menzel, where he forcibly cut her open to remove her liver, where she then died due to shock and blood loss.

When Steele retrieves Madeleine Briggs from Jimmy’s liaison Tyler Goodman, Steele then kills Tyler once Tyler accomplishes his task to tie up lose ends, where Steele then drives Madeleine to New York where he gets into a car crash killing an innocent man. Taking Madeleine with him, Steele forces an innocent bystander to drive them away from them car crash before Steele then shoots the bystanders and leaves him for dead.

Eventually the CSI team from New York tracks down Steele and chase him down several times where Steele shoots several NYPD police officers. Eventually Steele gets captured by the CSI team where Raymond demands Steels to tell him where he’s holding Madeleine.

However, Steele tells Raymond to that he already gave her to another trucker working for The Zetas while sadistically mocking Raymond that Madeleine is going to die a horrific death.This leads to Raymond to go back to Las Vegas to search for Madeleine which leads to our final member of the trio Dimitri Sadesky.

Who Is Dimitri Sadesky? What Has He Done?

Dimitri Sadesky from the episode “Lost Girls” is a pimp in Las Vegas who is revealed to a leader of human trafficking organization, The Zetas. As a leader of the Zetas, Dimitri is responsible for having women all over America kidnapped, where he has would have their organs removed before selling into prostitution or sex slavery, while forcibly tattoo them to ensure that they are his property.

Dimitri is also responsible for arranging these women to be killed should they attempt to escape from the Zeta’s imprisonment, where Dimitri himself murdered four women, and potentially many more, but first he would torture them by burning them with cigarettes before beating them to death with a blunt object then burying their bodies in the desert.

Dimitri has also murdered Samantha Matthew, whose dismembered corpse was seen in the Miami episode, who after he tortured her to death, he had one of his men dismember the corpse, and have him feed the dismembered body parts to the Alligators in Florida.

He’s also responsible for kidnapping Madeleine Briggs and has her forcibly impregnated to increase her worth as he intends to sell the baby once she gives birth to and have she shipped all over America leading to Madeleine’s immense suffering, only to simply throw her away like trash once she suffers a miscarriage because of the abuse she endured by her pimp, Anthoney Samuels, leaving her to die.

Eventually Dimitri would get arrested by the CSI team in Las Vegas, where to cut a deal to avoid the death penalty, and rats on The Zetas leading to the organization’s downfall, and eventually Madeleine is found by Raymond, no thanks to Dimitri

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

The trio aren’t given any backstory to how they joined The Zetas and are never given any redeeming qualities nor sympathetic excuses on why they committed their atrocities, and the only reason that they are given for all the women that they kidnapped, tortured, kill, and sold into prostitution is simply to make money off their suffering. That’s it

Heinousness

I cant definitely make an easy case for Dimitri and Casey. As a leader of the Zetas, Dimitri is responsible for arranging countless women to be kidnapped, forced them into prostitution and sexual slavery, have their organs harvested, and killed whenever they try to escape or once they served their purpose. He’s also murdered numerous women himself, after he’s done torturing them, already murdering five women (and potentially more) and forcibly impregnates Madeleine just to increase her value to his clients

Then there is Casey who ranks lower than Dimitri, but still manages to stand out on his own as he is responsible for transporting countless of imprisoned women throughout the country, and extracts their organs while they are still alive before harvesting them, leading to his prisoners to die in excruciating pain, and has killed members of his organization, and other innocent people should they get in his way.

I’m kind of unsure about Jimmy, as we do have another pimp, Anthoney Samuel who also partakes in the Zeta’s human trafficking ring and who abuses the women under his captivity and beats up Madeleine so brutally that she ends up losing the baby and loses her value in Dimitri’s eyes, but the fact that Jimmy has arranged numerous women throughout Miami to sold into prostitution for The Zetas, even having sex with them himself, and the way he horrifically murders Ashley by dismembering her while she’s still alive, might be enough for Jimmy to stand out.

If anyone is asking, no I don’t think Anthoney counts as he is shown to with his mother, whose implied to be his boss, and despite being an abusive prick, I don’t thinks he is heinous enough as he never intentionally kills anyone.

Final Verdict?

I will leave it to you guys.

Edited by G-Editor on Mar 4th 2020 at 2:08:38 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#204180: Mar 4th 2020 at 4:25:03 PM

Yes to Casey and Dimitri, but I'll give a tentative no to Jimmy.

EDIT: On second thought, I'll say yes to Jimmy.

Edited by falcontalons on Mar 4th 2020 at 4:33:16 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from NYPD (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#204182: Mar 4th 2020 at 4:40:09 PM

[tup] Zeta trio.

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DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#204183: Mar 4th 2020 at 4:43:02 PM

[tup] Mimic, Sauron, Evangeline, Jimmy, Steele and Dimitri

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#204184: Mar 4th 2020 at 4:52:24 PM

[tup] to Casey and Dmitri, tentative [tup] to Jimmy

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#204185: Mar 4th 2020 at 5:50:57 PM

[tup] CSI trio, especially Dimitri.

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#204186: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:47:00 PM

Proposing a cut: Nomoa Long from After War Gundam X. I have not seen Gundam, but a look through of this post indicates that he does not count. One poster had also said that this effort post for him relies on weasel words, accentuating the negative and Alternate Character Intepretation. The user who proposed this, Fan727, has been shown to have effort posted non-keepers and their lack of reliability has led to us cutting the few examples they got approved, so I do not see why we should not be cutting this as well.

Again, I have not watched Gundam X, but I feel this is a case of someone trying to weasel a non-keeper into the CM territory which has mitigating factors which were ignored or not considered carefully.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#204187: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:50:43 PM

TBH, that's a legit concern

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#204188: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:52:55 PM

Oh, geez, I've seen enough from the EP: "He also mourns a fellow SRA member's death because the latter saved his life "

Cut with prejudice

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from NYPD (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#204189: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:54:01 PM

Cut and burn.

[up][up][up] Some people say weasel words are great.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 4th 2020 at 10:02:10 AM

Feels good, don't it?
Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#204191: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:56:24 PM

I also note that one guy upvoted saying the mourning isn’t a real mitigating factor and then others rushed in to say yes while others abstained or voted no regarding this mourning.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#204192: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:14:58 PM

okay cut that Gundam guy. Also, anymore votes on my CSI trio?

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#204193: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:21:17 PM

[tup] Mimic, Big Daddy Sauron, Evan, and CSI trio.

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xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
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Goku Black
#204195: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:31:11 PM

[tup]The zetas.

Dinitri was played by Mark Sheppard btw.

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DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#204197: Mar 4th 2020 at 8:51:22 PM

Another message from me: A week ago I had addressed these approved but not written up characters at this post. I was told to send a PM to that original proposer but I got no response after a few days, so I decide that someone else should write up these characters. Anyone keen on this?

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#204199: Mar 4th 2020 at 10:55:46 PM

[tup] the Trafficking trio

Cut the Gundam guy with extreme prejudice (snip, snip, hooray!)

Edit: not sure I've voted on them but [tup] to Evangeline and Sauron if I haven't. Could've sworn I did, but upon scrolling back through the thread I can't see it. Maybe I'm just delirious from the common cold.

Edited by captainmarkle on Mar 4th 2020 at 10:58:17 AM

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