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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

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What is the Work

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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#198651: Jan 17th 2020 at 2:09:35 PM

[tup]mecha one

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#198654: Jan 17th 2020 at 2:40:44 PM

Wait, do the quotes not go on the same draft page?

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#198655: Jan 17th 2020 at 2:42:32 PM

No, they do. I just requested the addition after formatting it like the others.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#198658: Jan 17th 2020 at 4:18:54 PM

[tup] Meca One.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#198659: Jan 17th 2020 at 4:37:45 PM

[tup] to Lady Indigo, Richard Ramirez, BTK, and Meca One.

Edited by falcontalons on Jan 17th 2020 at 4:37:57 AM

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#198660: Jan 17th 2020 at 4:46:38 PM

Found this on the ‘’Mulan’’ character page under Shan-Yu for Benevolent Boss.

  • Benevolent Boss: Surprisingly enough he's quite respectful toward his army. He constantly praises their abilities, never treats them harshly, and is quite outraged when the majority of them are killed in an avalanche. He even politely declines one of his generals when they suggest avoiding the Chinese army. It makes sense when one takes his Genius Bruiser tendencies in mind and remember that an army that hates its leader isn't an army that will function well. Averted, however, in one deleted scene: after the Huns have ransacked a village, one of them finds a small bird in a cage, still alive, and smuggles it into his clothing. Shan Yu finds him moments later after asking the Huns if anything at all in the village was still alive. He releases the bird, remarking, "all creatures should be given a chance to live free, but freedom has its price" as his falcon kills the bird and he stabs the man, turning it into a Badass Boast about what they're going to do to the Emperor of China.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#198661: Jan 17th 2020 at 4:49:39 PM

I mean...doesn't seem to hold up. He's never shown mistreating his men in the final cut of the film, but he isn't shown valuing them as anything more than a tool of conquest.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#198662: Jan 17th 2020 at 5:02:56 PM

I think you could just remove the " is quite outraged when the majority of them are killed in an avalanche" part. Because otherwise it seems fine, and notes thay it's out of pragmatism rather then care "an army that hates it's leader isn't an army that will function well".

Edited by Kylotrope on Jan 17th 2020 at 3:03:34 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#198665: Jan 17th 2020 at 10:52:46 PM

Shan Yu is more upset that Mulan wiped out most of his army and got the drop on him rather than killed his men. He was angry about his power and pride, nothing more.

Is Meca One the first Lego villain to be approved for this?

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 17th 2020 at 10:55:37 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#198666: Jan 17th 2020 at 11:59:56 PM

Aquaman animated miniseries. I claim dibs. Anyone wanna collab with me ?

[up]Nah we have an entire page for Lego property BIONICLE already

Edited by miraculous on Jan 18th 2020 at 12:08:47 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#198667: Jan 18th 2020 at 12:07:58 AM

We also have a duo from Hero Factory.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#198668: Jan 18th 2020 at 5:20:01 AM

[tup] Meca One (shout out to Exo Force, my childhood)

Sorry, EP for Vex (Oxventure, not Critical Role) and entry for Yngvarr from Falskaar are running late. I fell slightly ill this week (not seriously but enough to tire me out). Hopefully by tomorrow I'll have both up.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#198669: Jan 18th 2020 at 6:52:48 AM

Okay, I'll have more things to say when the embargo ends, but for now, having just seen the ep yesterday, a slight rewrite:

  • Clark Preston, from "A Thin Line", is a greedy, crooked real estate developer and one of the show's most infamous proxy killers. He hired criminals to commit crimes in neighborhoods so people would leave and he could buy up their property at a much lower price, with him not even caring about who gets hurt in the process. During one of these raids, the Mills family had the father and daughter killed and the mother raped and beaten, leaving her in a coma. He later manipulates and recruits the survivor of the family, Trevor, into his mayoral campaign by brainwashing him with racist ideology—which he doesn't even care about but uses it to try to get elected—and using him to help with his mayoral campaign. At Preston's behest, Trevor would launch home invasions and kill entire families of people, including young children and even a baby in one case, and then kill drugged black and Hispanic people with the family's gun and pin it on them in the hopes of supporting his plans.

Edited by ACW on Jan 18th 2020 at 9:56:23 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#198670: Jan 18th 2020 at 7:57:51 AM

Does Dracula count in the new series?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#198671: Jan 18th 2020 at 9:14:27 AM

[up] Oh fuck me! Forgot about that series. Hold on, I’ll have the verdict ready by next week.

It's Spooky Month!
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#198672: Jan 18th 2020 at 9:25:34 AM

[up] Your profile pic just makes this hilarious [lol]

[tup] Meca-One

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jan 18th 2020 at 3:59:12 PM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#198673: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:05:00 AM

@mir Oh I see. I forget that the Lego GAMES are not the same as the Lego MOVIES.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#198674: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:15:10 AM

Those are actually comics, books and tv shows actually

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#198675: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:25:44 AM

[tup]Meca One

[tup]Lady Indigo

[tup]The Night Stalker

[tup]Dennis Rader

[tup] Lord Dogknife.

[tup] The Wolf.

Watch me destroying my country

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