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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
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  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#197076: Jan 2nd 2020 at 8:15:18 PM

[tup] Joshua and Rose.

PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#197078: Jan 2nd 2020 at 8:39:00 PM

[tup] to Nergal, Meta, Julien, Joshua, and Rose.

My condolences Xie

I have my first CM of the new year. This will be a first for me, as not only will they be my first C Ms from a TV show, but there are multiple examples in said work. I have three that I am confident will pass, and two that might, and I plan to EP them all. With that said, let’s get started.

What’s the Work?

Giant Robo (Or Johnny Socko And His Flying Robot for fellow Americans) is a 1967 Toku show that is an adaptation of the manga of the same name. (Also, just a quick note, but I am going over the characters as they are presented in the English dub. I know that there are some differences in the Japanese version, but I don’t have access to it).

Johnny Socko, along with Jerry Mano, who is an agent in the peacekeeping organization Unicorn (Yes, really), end up stranded on an island after a monster destroys their ship. The island, however, is a base for the Gargoyle Gang (or simply Gargoyle), a dangerous and yet incompetent terrorist group. After the two are chased around by Gargoyle mooks, the run into Dr. Lucian Guardian, who was forced to build a high tech giant robot for the Gargoyle Gang. As he shows them the robots features, Johnny ends up becoming the controller of the robot due to his voice being imprinted on the robots atomic brain. After learning that Dr. Guardian planted a nuclear bomb in the Gargoyle base, Johnny and Jerry ran for it. When the bomb explodes, however, the robot absorbs all of the atomic energy, which powers it up. With robot under control, the duo head to Tokyo.

Miffed at the loss of their secret weapon, The Gargoyle Gang sends the sea monster Dracolon after the robot. Robot and a Johnny defeat the monster, Johnny becomes a member of Unicorn, and he works to stop the Gangs evil plans.

The Gargoyle Gang is full of some very unsavory characters, starting with their leader, Emperor Guillotine.

Who is Emperor Guillotine? What has he done?

Emperor Guillotine is a cthulhu esque alien with a badass name who has set his sights on conquering earth. Introduces destroying a squadron of planes who have come to indenting him, he finds the Gargoyle Gang. To keep his island base a secret, he unleashed the sea monster Dracolon, which begins destroying ships, often leaving no survivors. One of these ends up washing Jerry and Johnny onto their island base.

After the shenanigans where the Gang loses the Giant Robot, he orders his commander, Spider, to capture or destroy the robot, uncaring that the Robot is heading to Tokyo. After Giant Robot and Dracolon skirmish in a shipyard, Guillotine swears vengeance on Unicorn.

Guillotine rules Gargoyle with an iron fist, threatening to kill those who fail him, planting bombs in his men in case they are captured, and using child soldiers to carry out his dirty work. He executes Dr Botanus (who will get an EP) and luckless assassin after they fail him, and insults subordinates who don’t perform as well as he wants. He is also the creator behind most of the Kaiju in the series.

In spite of this, Guillotine doesn’t often get directly involved in Gargoyle field operations, instead opting to bark orders to his mooks and numerous field commanders and giving them monsters to help with their missions, so I will list the events he directly get involved in.

In episode 6, he has one of his monsters, Dragon, capture a plane and submarine belonging to two nuclear superpowers, hoping to cause war to break out between them. We see some fighting on Guillotines monitor, showing that war has practically already proven out. When Unicorn organizes a meeting to discuss the situation, he has a mole plant a bomb in the meeting. After this fails, his field commander Spider has Dragon attack the meeting, which get Dragon killed, revealing the plane and sub, foiling Guillotine’s plan.

In episode 9, he participates in a scheme with Dr. Botanus to kidnap 60,000 people at a soccer match. He has Botanus deliver a tape from Guillotine that orders Japan to surrender or else the hostages will be killed.

In episode 11, he personally orders Johnny and Jerry to be experimented on to brainwash them, gloating all the while. He then orders that Giant Robot flies into the sun before ordering another one of his commanders, Harlequin, to continue conquest of earth.

In episode 13, after kidnapping the princess of a small kingdom with a rare radioactive metal, he appears in his spaceship to ransom her in exchange for the metal or she will be killed.

In episode 17, he executes Dr. Botanus for his consistent failures to destroy or capture Giant Robot after Botanus’s latest scheme fails,

In the final episode, Guillotine sends three monsters after Unicorn when an assasination attempt on Johnny fails. He kills his assassin vía Kaiju for his failure. After Johnny and Giant Robot destroys all the monsters, Robot shuts down.

Guillotine reveals that it was a gambit to make Robot waste his remaining atomic energy. He grows to massive size and states that if he were to die or get attacked, his body will explode, taking the word with it, due to his body coursing with atomic energy. To demonstrate this, he nukes a valley with a fingernail (I swear to Christ I didn’t make that up) before ordering the word to grow before him.

However, the Robots auxiliary power kicks in. Without Johnny's prompting, the Robot grabs Guillotine, taking him to space where they crash into a meteor, destroying Guillotine, but also takes the Robot with him.

Heinousness?

He is responsible for everything that happens in the series, as he is the one trying to invade earth and he creates all the monsters that are fought in the series. Even with this in mind, he does some very nasty shit, like starting a war, threatening to destroy the world via atomic explosion, and planting bombs in his mooks.

Mitigating factors?

The closest thing to a mitigating factor he congratulates one shot villain Dr. Engali when he succeeds in capturing Giant Robot. But when Engali dies, he goes back to his usual “Curse you Giant Robot!” Shtick, without even mentioning Engali’s death. Not to mention, he got very close to killing Engali when he though he has failed earlier in the episode. So no, he has no redeeming qualities.

Verdict?

I think he is a keep. A deliciously hammy and over-the-top keep.

Edited by PureGrainAlkaSeltzer on Jan 2nd 2020 at 10:43:23 AM

I have no idea what I am doing
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#197080: Jan 2nd 2020 at 9:14:07 PM

[tup] Guillotine.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#197081: Jan 2nd 2020 at 9:36:45 PM

[tup] Nergal, Cthulhu dup and Guillotine

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#197084: Jan 2nd 2020 at 10:13:30 PM

[tup] Ssulithan and Sashennal.

[tup]Guillotine. Does the manga version qualify as well? Any significant differences?

Edited by MasterN on Jan 2nd 2020 at 10:17:36 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#197085: Jan 2nd 2020 at 10:37:40 PM

Oh, today is the day to talk about The Witcher (2019) I just saw. Well I already spoke with Lighty via PM and we both agree there isn't a solid candidate yet. Though Vilgefortz, off course, has the potential for it in the future.

As expected it is a rather grimm series, with some cases of Adaptational Villainy even (most notably Cahir).

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 3rd 2020 at 6:53:14 PM

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#197086: Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:22:27 PM

[up][up]@Master N I can’t say, as I have only seen the show.

I have no idea what I am doing
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#197087: Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:33:49 PM

Yes indeed, Foren says it well. No new keepers...yet. We'll monitor....and yes to Guillotine. Mind if I give the OVA a look see?

Now, after Scraggle's help, I have a pair from an adaptation of my favorite novel:

What's the work?

The count of Monte Cristo, adapted in American cinema 2002...the plot? Edmond Dantes is a young man atop the world...a kind, poor young sailor with a beautiful young fiancee and a promising career, Edmond's captain makes a stop upon Elba where Edmond meets the exiled Napoleon who takes advantage of his innocence to send a treasonous letter...and Edmond's jealous enemies, including his best friend Fernand Mondego, who lusts after Mercedes,conspire to eliminate him...and the prosecutor Villefort goes along with it since the letter was intended for Villefort's father...Edmond is sent to the Chateau D'If, a prison for political prisoners, where we meet the first of our monsters, the wicked Armand Dorleac.

Who is Armand Dorleac?

Played by Michael Wincott, Dorleac is a callous sadist. When Edmond begins by protesting his innocence, Dorleac reveals that he knows Edmond is innocent...because everyone sent to Chateau D'If is innocent. If he was guilty, there are hundreds of prisons in France where he could be sent...no Chateau D'If is where they "put the ones they're ashamed of."

However, Dorleac, as he describes it..showing Edmond to his cell, he sees an inscription on the wall saying 'god will kill me justice.' Dorleac remarks prisoners tend to lose track of time in the Chateau D'If, so he's devised a way to help prisoners remember. "Every year, on the anniversary of their imprisonment? We hurt them!" Dorleac, despite knowing the prisoners are innocent? Enjoys torturing them every year, cheerfully remarking usually he just gives them "a simple beating", but on the first day, he likes to do something special...hosting Edmond up, he gets a whip and begins flogging him savagely. When Edmond invokes God, Dorleac cheerfully remarks "you ask god for help and I'll stop the moment he shows up."

This continues for 13 years...Dorleac continues to torture the prisoners, and every year to the day, he greets Edmond with a "happy anniversary, Dantes" before whipping him brutally and leaving them there. "Until next year!"

Now, Edmond? a prisoner named Father Faria, the 'Mad Priest' is tunneling out and finds himself in Edmond's cell. Faria becomes Edmond's friend, confidante and mentor, educating him in literature, economics, mathematics, sciences, swordplay...and helping him understand how he was betrayed...Faria is also the heir to a lost treasure and bequeaths the location to Edmond.

Faria is mortally wounded in a tunnel collapse and dies soon after...Edmond takes the place of Fariah in a sack to be thrown out into the sea...with a bored Dorleac administering the last rites for it...as Edmond is thrown over, he grabs Dorleac's keys, pulling Dorleac with him into the sea...when Edmond is free, he's rather, shall we say, vengeful and catches a terrified Dorleac, wringing his neck and leaving him a corpse in the water before swimming to safety.

Heinousness?

Dorleac is probably the most outright sadistic in the film. He's just a warden of a barren little rock, but...he manages to be a complete scumbag for what he has there. In essence, Dorelac is a serial torturer, and the Chateau D'if is a big prison...Dorleac tortures them all regularly for his own amusement while letting them languish in horrific conditions.

Mitigating Qualities?

Zip. His affable persona lasts approximately three minutes with Edmond. When Faria dies and Dorleac administers last rites, he just grumbles he "doesn't have all day," only to laugh and say he has all the time in the world....and then he just administers them out of nothing but boredom, not even remembering Faria's name. So yeah, pass.

Conclusion?

I'd say yes to Dorleac. He's handily awful with what he has, being just a sadistic warden in the middle of nowhere.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:36:23 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#197088: Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:52:11 PM

The second? Quality over quantity...Edmond's treacherous 'best friend', Count Fernand Mondego.

Who is Fernand?

The son of Count Mondego, Fernand grew up as Edmond's best friend, despite Edmond being the son of a clerk....Fernand envied Edmond's simple happiness, with Mercedes recalling at their birthdays, Fernand was given a horse while Edmond got a whistle...Fernand couldn't understand how Edmond was so happy with a whistle, more than he was with the horse. Fernand grew up wanting Mercedes badly...and with the letter? Fernand knew the contents, but betrayed Edmond with his jealous first mate Danglars...Fernand frames Edmond for treason while offering 'help' to Villefort....see, Villefort has issues with his father, Monsieur Clarion, being a diehard Bonapartist...and Napoleon is returning.

So, in return for sending Edmond to a hellish prison to die, Fernand will take care of the problem. Presenting himself as a loyal friend, he deceives Edmond's father, employer and Mercedes, while approaching Clarion and shooting him in the back. When a shocked Clarion can only ask "why?" Fernand responds "Your son lacked the courage" and shoots him dead...he then manipulates Mercedes into marrying him, taking her to Paris as Countess Mondego...

In truth, Mercedes rushes into the marriage because she and Edmond slept together a night before his incarceration and she was pregnant...she convinces Fernand the child, Albert, is his, born premature. ..nearly 16 years pass. Edmond, having found the lost treasure of Cardinal Spada, has restyled himself as the Count of Monte Cristo with everyone thinking Edmond Dantes is dead.

Fernand? Becomes an emotionally abusive rake and wastrel, squandering his inheritance and having open affairs...in one instance, the husband finds out and challenges Fernand to a duel. Fernand humiliates him and kills him easily, mocking Mercedes how the man's wife is now ruined and he doesn't need to bother with a pretense.

Now, Edmond contrives his way into the lives of the Mondegos via 'saving' Albert from a trap he set up...he manages to ruin his enemies, sending Villefort to prison...by the end, Fernand is forced to flee when Mercedes tells him she's done with him and Albert is Edmond's...Fernand is caught by Edmond, mocking him the entire time over being a 'true' noble while Edmond is a pretender, when Albert arrives...despite knowing their relationship? Fernand tries to manipulate them into a death duel....Mercedes arrives to reveal the truth and Fernand manages to load a pistol. Edmond offers him a chance to flee, calling it mercy, but Fernand decides to put his last shot "where it will do the most damage." He proceeds to try to murder Mercedes before fleeing, wounding her...and decides to stay and face Edmond in a sword duel, saying he refuses to live in a world where "you have everything and I have nothing."

He and Edmond engage in their fight, ending as Edmond impales him, leaving a shocked Fernand to bleed his life away into the dirt...Edmond pledges to leave vengeance behind, reunited with his beloved Mercedes, Albert as his son and the ultimate bro Jacopo, his old buddy from a smuggler ship who has spent the whole movie being the coolest right hand man imaginable.

Heinousness?

Okay, Fernand's not the worst ever, but...quality over quantity here. Guy Pearce imbues him with pure and utter repugnance. Every scene of Fernand after he betrays Edmond is just pure scumbaggery. Sending Edmond to die in prison with such a personal betrayal, murdering a helpless old man, humiliating and killing a husband he cuckolded and ruining his wife...and then trying to trick Albert and Edmond into fighting a death match and trying to kill Mercedes out of spite?

I think he just clinches it by the sheer personal monstrosity of his crimes.

Mitigating Qualities?

Oh, no. Fernand loathes his family. When Villefort asks about his father, Fernand comments "still alive. Unfortunately." He betrays Edmond quite callously and brutally, giving him a chess piece as a "reminder of better days," with a smug smile....with Albert? Fernand treats him as a nuisance, and when he learns he's the "bastard son of a traitor," he just says he was "always disappointing."

Mercedes? He treats her terribly, mocking her for expecting fidelity, and when he abandons her, he states only "You did please me sometimes" in the most dickish way imaginable. And then he tries to murder her. He and Villefort don't have anything resembling a Villainous Friendship either...strictly business and nothing more.

Conclusion?

I'd say he clinches it. Just barely, but he's there.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#197089: Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:56:26 PM

Based on the EPs, [tup] to Dorleac and [tup] to Fernand.

Good luck Silver. Best wishes.

@TBNY May very well be.

@Angel Since spring 2015 I believe. Right here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=1529#comment-38212

@xie Very sorry for your loss.

I think Sutler and Creedy's expansion is a good idea.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 3rd 2020 at 12:08:53 PM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#197090: Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:59:31 PM

[tup] Dorleac and Fernand

Edited by papyru30 on Jan 3rd 2020 at 1:04:42 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#197091: Jan 3rd 2020 at 12:50:21 AM

[tup]Nergal,, Julien, Joshua, and Rose, Dorleac, Fernard and Guillotine.

Woah you guys were busy last night.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#197092: Jan 3rd 2020 at 1:20:30 AM

I've discussed both Conte candidates and seen the movie. Keep them. Emperor Guillotine, too.

Okay, one more candidate from me tonight before I commence our Star Wars discussion (and the next Watchmen candidate subsequently!).

What's the setting?

Baltimore is a graphic novel series from Mike Mignola, who wrote Hellboy (from which Lighty and I have a few more candidates upcoming—at least four from the comics, probably one or two from the games). The story focuses on the title character Henry Baltimore, who during the midst of a plague of vampires loses his entire family to the fangs of the evil vampire monarch Haigus. Thus Baltimore chases for Haigus for years to gain his vengeance, destroying vampires, ghouls, monsters and zealots along the way.

We have three candidates already, and there might be another or two Lighty'll get to, but my focus is on the series The Infernal Train. Our candidate is Signora Lucrezia Fulcanelli.

Who is Fulcanelli? What has she done?

A normal human woman who is a devout servant of the Red King and allied with a dozen elder vampires, Fulcanelli drives around in a massive train, showing up in cities ravaged by plagues of the undead. Fulcanelli leads droves of the undead into her furnaces, promising the fires within them are so acute they'd even wipe out plague germs and peddling her furnace as a miracle cure of sorts to these plagues...

...except Fulcanelli is the source of these plagues. Her motif is simple; create a plague and unleash it on a city, turning countless people into undead ghouls she has massacre as many people as they can, before compelling all those she's turned into ghouls to walk into the furnace's flames and immolate themselves. Drive to the next city, rinse and repeat, as the bodies stack higher and higher. All this is to gain as many cheap sacrifices as she can to empower the Red King, seeking a source of evil so powerful the Red King will awaken and usher in the apocalypse.

Fulcanelli captures Baltimore, revealing she has no intentions of sparing even Haigus from the Red King's desolation and intends to replace him as the Red King's most favored servant. Before Fulcanelli can sacrifice Baltimore to her vampires, Baltimore crashes the train, leaving Fulcanelli impaled by a metal rod near the wreckage, half-submerged in a lake. Fulcanelli begs Baltimore for help and she tells him Haigus' location...and Baltimore walks off. "You've spared yourself the sword. Sadly for you, I don't think the river and the storm will be as merciful."

Any mitigating factors?

Not a whit. Fulcanelli has an impressive body count for a villain that appears in one miniseries alone, and her intentions stack up even next to Big Bad Haigus himself. She's one of the nastiest in all of Baltimore and not a redeeming quality can be found. Of the upcoming villains for Baltimore, Fulcanelli is easily the surest keep.

Conclusion?

Keep her.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 3rd 2020 at 2:47:09 AM

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#197093: Jan 3rd 2020 at 1:25:07 AM

[tup] Nergal,, Julien, Joshua, Rose, Dorleac, Fernard, Guillotine, and Fulcaneli

And we're told that we move too quickly? It's nice to see we are starting strong for the beginner of the year.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#197094: Jan 3rd 2020 at 1:49:55 AM

Yes to Fulnacelli and Monte Cristo duo.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#197095: Jan 3rd 2020 at 2:29:33 AM

I give my [tup] to Nergal,, Julien, Joshua, Rose, Dorleac, Fernard, Guillotine, and Fulcaneli. Bloody hell you lot are productive and I love it.

@Xie, my belated condolences.

As the latest arc of the Outside Xbox DND arc just wrapped up, can I shotgun discussion for two weeks time on Vex, the Arc Villain of that story?

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#197096: Jan 3rd 2020 at 2:45:05 AM

[tup] Dorleac, Fernand and Fulcanelli

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#197097: Jan 3rd 2020 at 2:55:26 AM

...Oh fuck me [lol] Can we, like, institute some sort of limit for amount of EP's within a period or sometning? I'm only half-joking.

[tup] Julian, Smiley, Nergal, Pulp duo; Guillotine; Cristo duo; Fulcanelli.

~Taylor Hyuuga, this needs to be trimmed severely:

  • The House in Fata Morgana: Lord Jean-François Barnier is one of the biggest reasons the story of Fata Morgana happens, and the man who started the chain of events that would cause Morgana to become the Big Bad of the story. He purchases the 11-year old Morgana after hearing about her holy saint's blood, and when he meets Morgana, he is reveling in a harem that Morgana notes has girls that are barely older than her. He tells her that she is his property and to use her blood for his amusement, and when she refuses, chains her up and cuts her for her blood, which he serves at what Morgana calls "blood sabbats", where he and other members of the nobility drink her blood, cutting her across every inch of her body for weeks at a time for a whole year. One day, he gives Morgana some meat to eat, and upon her comment that the meat is vile, she tells her that it's the meat of one of his servants, and he taunts the brother of the man he killed for the meat. It is noted that he often tortures and kills slaves simply because he can, and he often taunts Morgana for her faith in God, which is the most important thing to her as she believes she is His daughter. Once, he has a servant pretend to be sick and has him drink Morgana's blood, at which point he pretends to be cured. He then immediately tells her that it was an act, for no reason other than to taunt her. When Morgana's health deteriorates and her face starts falling apart, he immediately tries to kill her. When Jacopo launches a revolt and fights Barnier, he stabs Ceren, the only person in the world he has any interest in, just because she disobeyed his order to stay hidden for a chance to murder Jacopo. When Jacopo becomes a lord, Barnier's memory haunts him every step of the way, making him the ruthless man we see in the events of the story. Completely unapologetic and aware of how evil he is, he is the most vile character in the story by far.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#197098: Jan 3rd 2020 at 2:58:47 AM

Oh, ACW, tag the 1901 Bluebeard on my to-write. Lighty and I negotiated I'd get the write up considering I meant to go for the 1901 Bluebeard years ago and he shot me down then.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#197099: Jan 3rd 2020 at 3:00:53 AM

Got it.

So, Baltimore, it's just the comic, right? And it'll go:

  • Red King
  • Haigus
  • Fulcanelli
  • Hitler
?

And the Cthulhu duo...just at the end of the page?

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#197100: Jan 3rd 2020 at 3:12:20 AM

Sure to Julian, Smiley, Nergal, the Pulp duo, Guillotine, Fernand and Fulcanelli.

Going to say no to Dorleac. As bad as he is, (or perhaps it's just me being desensitized by the whole thing) and in spite of the torture, he just doesn't strikes me as bad enough, even when taking in account what he has. Perhaps I'd have said yes if Fernand wasn't around but while both are quite different, Fernand's many Kick the Dog moments, combined with all of his other crimes just kills any chances of counting for Dorleac.

Perhaps it's just me and I'm just being desensitized by the whole thread. At the end, it's just my opinion, not an attempt to convince anyone else even though it might looks like the latter.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)

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