During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Holmes will come after I reread the third book to see if a case could be made for that villain. The bad guy from the second book is too generic crime wise.
- The Devil's Bed: Francois De Raiss is a devil worshiper who corrupted his branch of the Templar order into the mass human sacrifice of young women. Horrifically mutilating his victims before drinking their blood, De Raiss was eventually put to death for his crimes but swore revenge. Revived in the present as a vampire, De Raiss massacres several people for his enjoyment and revives them as undead thralls intending to turn France into a bloodbath as revenge for his deserved fate.
- Dracula's Demeter: Count Dracula himself boards the Demeter in hopes of conquering England after it arrives on those shores. Through a mix of lust, boredom and bloodlust, Dracula begins to kill the crew sometimes in horrific ways such as blowing a guy up or using spiders to drain him dry. Dracula becomes obsessed with a young woman onboard and breaks her to his will, forcing her lover to bow down to him before mind controlling her into killing him. Eventually disposing of her when she's outrun her use, Dracula tortures and lashes the captain of the ship to the wheel to ensure that he will arrive to begin his conquest, mixing unhinged savagery and a cultured wit into one monstrous package.
- The Haunting of Ashburn House: In life, Eleanor Ashburn was born the sociopathic twin sister to Edith who even at a young age would bully her sister. Trying to drown a child at age 6, Eleanor's parents attempted to stop her but we're eventually brutally mutilated and murdered along with her aunt and uncle by her at age 8. Elenaor killed by her sister in self-defence. Born with the power to make her beliefs come true at a cost, Eleanor was able to steal the years of her victims and used it to torment and try to kill her sister though failing. Ater her sisters passing and her niece taking over the manor, Elenaor drives a woman to madness and used her to free her from her grave, intending to kill her niece.
- The Haunting of Gillespie House: In life, Jonathan Gillespie was an evil cult leader in worship of The Others who fled his hometown after creating a disaster. Johantan began to ruthlessly abuse his children, slowly killing them through his abuse even forcing his daughter Genevieve to spend an entire night being starved and locked in a dark room where she was bitten by rats. Eventually Genevieve killed Jonathan to protect her and her family but our of spite Johnatan's ghost unleashed a plague on his followers and children, leading most of them to gain a disease which mutilated their bodies even his kids as young as four. Eventually murdering his daughter Genevieve years later when she was too old to defend herself, Johantan ruthlessly murders anyone who tried to help her move on including a young girl of six.
- Jenny Carroll from Season 14's Killer Moves became obessed with a legendary chess game and proving herself better after her father wouldn't allow her to play chess as a child. Jenny manipulates a fan of the chess game's loser into helping her murder eight innocent people people by drugging them before stabbing or beating to death and posing them on street intersections which correspond to the moves from the game. Eventually getting rid of her accomplice after he'd outrun his use, Jenny kidnaps both participants of the tournament to force them to do a rematch in a vain attempt to prove herself superior.
- Adam Connors from Season 13's Deja Vu was a former NSA analyst who along with Agent Eleanor Bishop and FBI agent Daisy Milner took down a group of Human Traffickers named Concubine. Adam became greedy though recreates concubine and begins kidnapping young collge girls before beating them and leaving them in horrific conditions tied up and threatening their families. Adam has those who resist executed personally before Chipping the girls with GPS tags and selling them to international clients as sex slaves. After Daisy comes close to the truth, Adam kills her and creates a fake trail of evidence to exonerate him before trying to gun down Bishop after she finds out the truth.
To anyone from kaifuku jutsushi no yarinaoshi. While many of the villains would certainly fit if they found themselves in just about any other work, one has to take into account this part of the definition from the "Complete Monster" guide.
"The character's actions must be considered especially vile by the standards of the world setting."
For context, Genghis Khan can not be considered a CM for his many, many atrocities because at the time he lived, his actions were the norm.
If Genghis Khan were to somehow be resurrected in the modern day and managed to reenact his atrocities with modern weapons and warfare, then yes, he'd be a CM.
In the work, kaifuku jutsushi no yarinaoshi, the rank and file commit so many war atrocities, by government decree, that nobody could ever hope to be heinous enough to merit the title "especially vile", though there are certainly some characters that look as if they're giving it their best shot at trying.
to Vandal. As for whether he's a Hate Sink or not, I have my doubts he's meant to be one since, depending on what players do, they might never even hear about or see his more heinous acts.
Though discussion on whether he's a Hate Sink or not belongs in the Hate Sink thread
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Here's the write-up for Godma, which is in the drafts.
- The Greatest Magicmasters Retirement Plan: Godma Barhong is an arrogant researcher who will go to any lengths to sate his scientific curiosity and prove his genius. As the head of the Element Factor Separation Project, he tampered with the mana information of child test subjects, uncaring of the painful side-effects and the death of one of his subjects. After becoming a fugitive, Godma acquires hundreds of kidnapped children and shuts off their nervous systems in order to mold them into combat puppets, and then sends them to attack soldiers, civilians, and a military school in order to test their capabilities. He kills any subject who loses the ability to fight and abuses a sentient subject, Melissa, when she protests. In order to kidnap Alice for his experiments, Godma sacrifices several subjects to cast a mass destruction spell on her school as a distraction, and later casts it again on the heroes using Melissa's life. When cornered by the military, Godma prepares a contingency plan to smuggle his data to his backer, hoping that others will continue his horrific research.
How about this quote from Sutekh? Hopefully, it's shorter, to the point and still good enough for the page. :)
better quote for Sutekh.
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to Ransom and Godma (though I note Godma already has a draft so I might be late on that one.
to Vandal, though he sounds like prime Hate Sink material.
Edited by captainmarkle on Dec 23rd 2019 at 7:05:37 PM
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.I uh not feeling it. Seems more Kneel Before Zod then Complete Monster.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Hey guys. Remember Final Fantasy XV and how we cut Ardyn Izunia? Well, there’s novel called Dawn of the Future, which is said to feature the one true ending of Final Fantasy XV. I’m already hoping to get this book, because I love Final Fantasy XV, but I’m also gonna reserve it too, because I heard a certain someone, not Ardyn, could end up counting, who is this potential candidate, well, you can PM for those details. Now here’s the thing, the book is already released in Japan, but it won’t be released in English until June 2020. Since English translation is a thing, should I work one the Effort Post once I find a way to read the book, or should I wait until 2 weeks after the English release?
Lighty, can't remember if you mentioned this, but anyone count from Darksiders Genesis or See?
Also, someone's gotta fix the to-do; there are some works that supposedly came out months ago.
Any works not discussed by the new year with indefinite dates, I'm gonna change the dates to TBA 2020 or something.

Yes to Godma. No to Vandal.