During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
If Barnier counts, this needs to be changed or cut:
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: While "love" is a strong word, Barnier has a soft spot for Ceren, as she is probably the only person he ended up liking in his whole life, so much that he did try to save her. It didn't stop him from killing her in cold blood in order to harm Jacopo, although he does this knowing that Ceren approves.
Abstain for now.
Cooley, Rhoodie, Sheletor (hey, it's Campbell "Dr. X" Lane!).
Seems like Leverett's a cut. I also gotta use Hell on Earth and Hellhole Prison for Velez. Who's Taylor?
Skeletor
So good news. The new The Dresden Files'' book will be released on July 14th, 2020
just in time for the series 20th anniversary.
After all these years it's finally coming.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Hey, finally! Now George R. R. Martin and Kentaro Miura need to follow.
Writeup for Skeletor:
The New Adventures of He-Man: Skeletor is an ever present archenemy, who desires to conquer the Tri-Solar Galaxy. Immediately becoming the right hand of the leader of Evil Mutants of Denebria, called Flogg, Skeletor uses him in his attempts to destroy He-Man and take over the planet Primus, while openly planning to betray Flogg someday and take all the power for himself. Creating many plans to lower the shields of Primus to allow Mutants to conquer it, Skeletor, upon briefly taking over Primus, attempts to destroy the village for hiding He-Man from him and planned to destroy the city of Levitan by raising it up with a tractor beam to the cosmos and dropping it to the ground. After being driven off, Skeletor tried to destroy Primus and all life on it several times, first by trying to use Energon to transform Primus into energy sun and then by trying to move Primus from its orbit, to cause catastrophes on the planet. At one point trying to kill off all of the Mutant army, including his supposed love interest, and the Galactic Guardians by luring them into a prison ship and attaching the magnetic generator to the it, to lure a comet upon the ship, Skeletor causes chaos and destruction on several planets, stopping at nothing in his attempts to take more power.
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Dec 22nd 2019 at 6:04:43 PM
I cut an unapproved entry from Lord of the Flies
- Complete Monster: While Lord of the Flies reveals the savagery people can descend to, Roger, the right hand man of Jack, was already a beast before he came to the island and only needed the lack of consequences to embrace his true nature. Roger becomes the chief torturer and executioner of Jack's group, keeping others in line with threats of impalement and tortures those who won't submit to Jack. He is also the only boy to commit cold-blooded murder by crushing the boy Piggy's head when Piggy desperately tries to restore sanity.
Haven't posted here in awhile. I effortposted Tark for Tricky Business.
- Complete Monster: Tark is a low-level driver of a drug boat. Tired of this, he decides to rob his bosses in a major drug deal. In the middle of a tropical storm, he has three of his associates beat up and knock out two guards of the boat. He mutilates and castrates one guard, and decides to force the other guard to swallow his own blood with his hands tied behind his back. When he gets to the drop-off point of the deal, he murders everybody crewing the operation. He then proceeds to betray and kill each and every one of his associates and even tries to kill some innocent people who get in the way. Motivated simply by greed, no one in the novel outshines Tark when it comes to sadism or disloyalty.
Could we change the mutilates redirect from Cold-Blooded Torture to Nasal Trauma, considering he cuts off a nose?
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midWell, time to write the entry.
- The Guns of the South: Andries Rhoodie is the leader of the South African Neo-Nazi group AWB who seeks to create a permanent bastion of white supremacy in the world. To this end he steals a time machine and travels back to 1864, arming the Confederacy with AK-47s to help them win The American Civil War. After this plan succeeds, Rhoodie and his group buy hundreds of blacks slaves, promptly torturing, starving, and raping them out of sheer racial hatred. When Robert E. Lee becomes Confederate President on a platform of gradual emancipation for slaves, Rhoodie sends a team of commandos to kill him and the entire Confederate government, culminating in a massacre in which dozens of bystanders, including Lee's infirm wife, are killed. With the Confederacy having turned against them, Rhoodie has his group wage a war that gets thousands of Confederate soldiers killed out of spite.
There were a few reasons brought up back then.
- All the boys try to murder Ralph near the end, so Roger killing Piggy doesn't really stand out as much.
- All the boys, Roger included, break down and cry when they are rescued.
- The original point that I brought up is that Roger simply doesn't pass the base line heinous standard. One murder and some bullying doesn't cross the line.
According to this link, he was deemed not heinous enough and his agency was affected. Discussion started here.

I found this on Cioccolata's character page.
There has been an edit wars of some sorts going on back and forth regarding this trope in his character page and it's really starting to get old. It's safe to say that having read the manga and watched the anime, this is just an Alternate Character Interpretation which has nothing to do with being a Complete Monster. He doesn't treat Secco as his equal during his character arc, just as a dog, and constantly berates him for not doing his job right. Him saying "I love you" in his last voicemail is mostly just him trying to motivate Secco to fight the heroes in case something happened to him, which even Secco seems to be aware of as his first reaction upon hearing on Cioccolata's demise is "did you really think I'd feel sorry for you". And Cioccolata's only way of showing affection to Secco is literally just tossing him sugar cubes and... scratching his back. Summa summarum, it's too ambiguous for this trope to even apply.
Edited by Kookosbanaani on Dec 22nd 2019 at 3:51:12 AM