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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#194501: Dec 9th 2019 at 10:20:36 AM

It's an original English manga, published in GN form. I'm not sure how we handle those.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#194502: Dec 9th 2019 at 10:25:41 AM

Personally, the way I see it, it's with a Webcomic name space, and at OEL Manga. Empowered is also there, and we treat it as a Comic Book. I'm thinking treat this as a Webcomic, but I'm not dead-set on it.

EDIT: We need a header and possible image for Battlefield. VVV had some image ideas, but none were that great.

We'll also need a replacement image for AHS.

Edited by ACW on Dec 9th 2019 at 1:43:17 PM

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#194503: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:06:24 AM

What's the problem with the AHS page image? I don't keep up with it and admittedly skimmed most of the conversation. I know we're cutting Stanley, but that's not Stanley in the image, right? That's Dandy Mott if I'm not mistaken. Is he getting cut as well?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#194504: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:07:12 AM

Tyk said he'd weigh in. Please wait for him to do so.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#194505: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:10:36 AM

Nah, Stanley would only affect the quote.

Dandy still likely stays, but my problem with the image (and if this is just me, we can keep it), is it seems that it requires an explanation. I mean, yes, it's a Blood Bath, but at least with the Conan the Barbarian image we see the dead body.

Edited by ACW on Dec 9th 2019 at 2:10:49 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#194508: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:29:38 AM

Unfortunately I think it's too dependent on context the image doesn't necessarily provide.

I also had no idea Everlasting was a webcomic.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#194510: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:35:27 AM

[up][up] The Solomon image or the Dandy image? Or both?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#194512: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:40:30 AM

@Vile: Sorry dude way too blurry. Is their a Vetter quality shot

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#194513: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:43:56 AM

Good to hear, Bullman

(Funny, i was sure we had more Draculas than that)

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#194514: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:48:18 AM

Well hey there's probably more just waiting for us to find.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#194515: Dec 9th 2019 at 11:51:17 AM

[tup]Dracula.

Why so serious?
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#194516: Dec 9th 2019 at 12:01:23 PM

Couple more attempts at Solomon image:

A better quality image of previous Solomon image with another image as follow up

Solomon shooting David Montes (after they manage to chase him down) and then tries to kill Henry Blackburn (Player Character)

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#194517: Dec 9th 2019 at 12:41:34 PM

Glad to hear your uncle is doing better, Bullman.

I agree that the current AHS image is insufficient, and as such have made the following suggestion brighter and smaller.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/polish_20191209_153717437.jpg
"I will make that fat fuck's crimes look like a Boy Scout jamboree!"

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 9th 2019 at 4:46:35 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#194518: Dec 9th 2019 at 12:57:42 PM

That might work. Just pothole it to American Horror Story: 1984.

Edited by ACW on Dec 9th 2019 at 3:57:53 PM

DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#194519: Dec 9th 2019 at 12:59:49 PM

Yay to Rex and both Draculas.

I've only played the first three Myst games, so I'm not certain on Sirrus. I do know, though, that if he stays, his heinousness needs to at least be compared to one other. (Not sure if there are any other antagonists who were worse.)

Ghen, Sirrus' grandfather. Tyrannically ruled over the inhabitants of an unstable world because he was too proud and stubborn to admit that his Age-linking technique was severely flawed, and doesn't hesitate to try to kill his own son for getting in his way.

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Dec 9th 2019 at 1:00:15 AM

RIP KissAnime.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#194520: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:00:38 PM

How come he doesn't count ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#194521: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:01:45 PM

BTW, if we can't get a Battlefield image by Wednesday, I'll just request locking then. We need a header though.

UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#194522: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:04:41 PM

Why does Stanley from AHS all of a sudden doesn't count? He seems to be pretty heinous and monstrous to me, matching with the theme of Freakshow in that regular humans can be more evil and cruel than any freak.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#194523: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:08:23 PM

We don't know for sure, but I think Tyk was concerned that he may not match Dandy, especially for a franchise with an already ridiculous standard.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#194524: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:10:00 PM

Everyone wait. Well see what Tyk says after he's done his rewatch ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#194525: Dec 9th 2019 at 1:16:05 PM

Ghen sincerely loved his wife if I remember correctly.

RIP KissAnime.

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