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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#192751: Nov 24th 2019 at 11:57:47 AM

Nobody keeps in Shenmue III.

....that game's a button right now.

DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#192752: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:05:17 PM

Yay to Tsu.

[up] What does that mean?

RIP KissAnime.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#192753: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:06:00 PM

Ever waited like 15 years for a game, only to get a "to be continued?"

DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#192754: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:07:04 PM

Ah, so a Berserk Button, then. Got it.

RIP KissAnime.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192755: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:11:52 PM

[up][up] Wait, they did a fucking Sequel Hook for that??

Erik, please add the Battle Tech ones here. They'll go next week.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#192756: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:14:59 PM

Woah that sucks.

Btw I just watched Shooter. I was gonna ep Johnson and Meachum only to discover their already approved. That said could we remove the last line of their write-up.

Swagger manages to save her, Johnson and Meachum manage to escape for the time being.

These guys die at the end of the film Anyway and said escape lasted around ten more minutes of the film. I don't think it's notable..

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ErikModi Knight Bachelor from Where ComStar can't find me. Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Knight Bachelor
#192757: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:19:30 PM

@ACW: So those drafts look good, then? I'll add them.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#192758: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:23:57 PM

Complete Monster: Col. Isaac Johnson and Sen. Charles F. Meachum are the leaders of an oil consortium that will do anything to further its own ends. Johnson and Meachum order a US military operation to slaughter a small village of 400 people in Eritrea, so they could build a pipeline on their land. They didn't even bother asking them to move, simply killing them so the next village they target would move without question. Later, Johnson contacts former Gunnery Sergeant Bob Lee Swagger and states he needs his help to foil a plot to assassinate the President. This is a ruse; Johnson and Meachum assassinate the archbishop Ethiopia who was going to tell the President of their genocidal actions, and frame Swagger for this. Johnson tries to have one of his men kill Swagger, but he escapes; Johnson later kills this would-be assassin to cover his tracks. An FBI agent named Agent Nick Memphis begins to piece things together and investigate the possibility that Swagger is innocent, so Johnson and Meachum send some goons to kidnap him and kill him in a way that makes it look like suicide, before Swagger saves him. Meachum and Johnson try to force Swagger out of hiding by kidnapping Sarah Fenn, the widow of his best friend who died in a mission. They have her beaten and try to use her as bait, to lure Swagger into a trap to kill him. Swagger manages to save her, Johnson and Meachum manage to escape for the time being.

Shouldn't it be the archbishop of Ethiopia?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#192759: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:33:56 PM

Yeah it was the archbishop of Ethopia.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192760: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:57:10 PM

So:

  • Shooter: Col. Isaac Johnson and Sen. Charles F. Meachum are the leaders of an oil consortium that will do anything to further its own ends. Johnson and Meachum order a US military operation to slaughter a small village of 400 people in Eritrea, so they could build a pipeline on their land. They didn't even bother asking them to move, simply killing them so the next village they target would move without question. Later, Johnson contacts former Gunnery Sergeant Bob Lee Swagger and states he needs his help to foil a plot to assassinate the President. This is a ruse; Johnson and Meachum assassinate the archbishop of Ethiopia who was going to tell the President of their genocidal actions, and frame Swagger for this. Johnson tries to have one of his men kill Swagger, but he escapes; Johnson later kills this would-be assassin later to cover his tracks. An FBI agent named Agent Nick Memphis begins to piece things together and investigate the possibility that Swagger is innocent, so Johnson and Meachum send some goons to kidnap him and kill him in a way that makes it look like suicide, before Swagger saves him. Meachum and Johnson try to force Swagger out of hiding by kidnapping Sarah Fenn, the widow of his best friend who died in a mission. They have her beaten and try to use her as bait, to lure Swagger into a trap to kill him. Johnson and Meachum even plot later to eventually repeat their actions on a group of Ecuadorian locals.

Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2019 at 4:29:43 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#192761: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:58:16 PM

They also planned to repeat the process again on some Ecuador locals. Should we add that somewhere too ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#192763: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:02:36 PM

Uh something small like this.

Johnson and Meachum even plot in the films ending to eventually repeat there genocidal actions on a group of Ecuadorian locals.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#192765: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:37:18 PM

@ImperialMajestyXO: How many Battlefield entries are there now? I thought it was only around six?

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192766: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:38:38 PM

I don't even know; we'll see when the writeups come. Remember, we have already-approved CM Arkady as well.

Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2019 at 4:44:22 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#192767: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:51:16 PM

Looks good.

For battlefield. I could have sworn that two of the eps got downvoted in stoddard and Game Chang.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192768: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:55:29 PM

Stoddard did I think, Game!Chang was close. I think there were 2 other game keepers, and 2 or 3 book keepers.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#192769: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:04:07 PM

Commander 31, Solomon, Arkady, four guys from the novels. Unless I'm missing one, that's seven.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#192770: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:08:39 PM

I think unless their in one tree we normally wait till we have 8 maybe 9 for a franchise to make a page.

Granted even with that rule we still get a new page every week.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#192771: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:11:40 PM

[up] If it's only seven, we can always leave it on the main YMMV page for now. Don't think the tree will look too confusing.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192772: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:17:55 PM

Maybe. For YMMV we can separate games and novels, but depending on how it's done for the games, we may or may not want to do a page. Similar to how we did for Halloween even though it was mostly Myers, as it looked too janky otherwise.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#192773: Nov 24th 2019 at 3:00:40 PM

[tup] Tsu. He may not be Sun Tzu, but Tsu Yuntao did all that, and I'd say he knows a bit more about being a Complete Monster than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of heinousness.

Edited by MasterN on Nov 24th 2019 at 3:01:15 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#192774: Nov 24th 2019 at 3:04:37 PM

I'm posting this proposal for an image for the Fallout page again since it only got one or two votes

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/fallout_cb42dd_5456411_9.jpg
You've gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven't met Frank Horrigan either. Your ride's over, mutie. Time to die.

Edited by papyru30 on Nov 24th 2019 at 4:31:26 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192775: Nov 24th 2019 at 3:11:03 PM

You're probably gonna wanna post it here. Don't forget to link the image to Fallout 2

Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2019 at 6:11:33 AM


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