During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Wait, they did a fucking Sequel Hook for that??
Erik, please add the Battle Tech ones here. They'll go next week.
Woah that sucks.
Btw I just watched Shooter. I was gonna ep Johnson and Meachum only to discover their already approved. That said could we remove the last line of their write-up.
Swagger manages to save her, Johnson and Meachum manage to escape for the time being.
These guys die at the end of the film Anyway and said escape lasted around ten more minutes of the film. I don't think it's notable..
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Complete Monster: Col. Isaac Johnson and Sen. Charles F. Meachum are the leaders of an oil consortium that will do anything to further its own ends. Johnson and Meachum order a US military operation to slaughter a small village of 400 people in Eritrea, so they could build a pipeline on their land. They didn't even bother asking them to move, simply killing them so the next village they target would move without question. Later, Johnson contacts former Gunnery Sergeant Bob Lee Swagger and states he needs his help to foil a plot to assassinate the President. This is a ruse; Johnson and Meachum assassinate the archbishop Ethiopia who was going to tell the President of their genocidal actions, and frame Swagger for this. Johnson tries to have one of his men kill Swagger, but he escapes; Johnson later kills this would-be assassin to cover his tracks. An FBI agent named Agent Nick Memphis begins to piece things together and investigate the possibility that Swagger is innocent, so Johnson and Meachum send some goons to kidnap him and kill him in a way that makes it look like suicide, before Swagger saves him. Meachum and Johnson try to force Swagger out of hiding by kidnapping Sarah Fenn, the widow of his best friend who died in a mission. They have her beaten and try to use her as bait, to lure Swagger into a trap to kill him. Swagger manages to save her, Johnson and Meachum manage to escape for the time being.
Shouldn't it be the archbishop of Ethiopia?
So:
- Shooter: Col. Isaac Johnson and Sen. Charles F. Meachum are the leaders of an oil consortium that will do anything to further its own ends. Johnson and Meachum order a US military operation to slaughter a small village of 400 people in Eritrea, so they could build a pipeline on their land. They didn't even bother asking them to move, simply killing them so the next village they target would move without question. Later, Johnson contacts former Gunnery Sergeant Bob Lee Swagger and states he needs his help to foil a plot to assassinate the President. This is a ruse; Johnson and Meachum assassinate the archbishop of Ethiopia who was going to tell the President of their genocidal actions, and frame Swagger for this. Johnson tries to have one of his men kill Swagger, but he escapes; Johnson later kills this would-be assassin later to cover his tracks. An FBI agent named Agent Nick Memphis begins to piece things together and investigate the possibility that Swagger is innocent, so Johnson and Meachum send some goons to kidnap him and kill him in a way that makes it look like suicide, before Swagger saves him. Meachum and Johnson try to force Swagger out of hiding by kidnapping Sarah Fenn, the widow of his best friend who died in a mission. They have her beaten and try to use her as bait, to lure Swagger into a trap to kill him. Johnson and Meachum even plot later to eventually repeat their actions on a group of Ecuadorian locals.
Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2019 at 4:29:43 AM
@ImperialMajestyXO: How many Battlefield entries are there now? I thought it was only around six?
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.I don't even know; we'll see when the writeups come. Remember, we have already-approved CM Arkady as well.
Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2019 at 4:44:22 AM
Commander 31, Solomon, Arkady, four guys from the novels. Unless I'm missing one, that's seven.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
If it's only seven, we can always leave it on the main YMMV page for now. Don't think the tree will look too confusing.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Tsu. He may not be Sun Tzu, but Tsu Yuntao did all that, and I'd say he knows a bit more about being a Complete Monster than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of heinousness.
Edited by MasterN on Nov 24th 2019 at 3:01:15 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.


Nobody keeps in Shenmue III.
....that game's a button right now.