During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
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When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Well, if a villain just finds something gross, it's not really a moral standard, so yes, it can apply to a Complete Monster.
Edited by falcontalons on Nov 23rd 2019 at 4:58:01 AM
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I'm guessing Eddie Poole from 8mm (insufficiently heinous as he is) would be a good example of non-standards. He is grossed out by the act recorded in the snuff film, but had no moral qualms.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 23rd 2019 at 8:02:31 AM
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The two Ms, Mandarin and Madeline.
As for your query, the titular protagonist of Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer is an approved CM who is disgusted with Otis having incestious designs on his sister Becky, constantly trying to rape her, and eventually kills him for it, but it is more personal distaste than actually caring about Becky, as Henry then kills her. Henry also shows a distaste for necrophilia, but, again, more of a personal tase thing. Despite these seemingly redeeming qualities, he still got up.
Edited by MasterN on Nov 23rd 2019 at 5:31:10 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Xykon's disgust at Tsukiko's necrophilia comes to mind. He's not against it due to any moral standards, he just finds it gross.
Let's try to get this in before the group this week. For the record, the entry will probably go to the bottom of the current Forgotten Realms tree.
Forgotten Realms: Dygah is an Ulutiun wizard hailing from the Great Glacier who was banished from his village for poisoning their water supple. While Dygah proclaimed it was an accident, he was secretly trying to mind control the whole village into making him their leader. After being refused admittance from nearby settlements, he swore revenge on not only his village but on everyone in the Great Glacier. He made his way to a village of fellow exiles, murdered their leader and took over, and turned them into a group of ruthless bandits who practiced kidnapping, rape, and murder. Upon discovering the location of his people's sleeping god, Ulutiu, Dygah intended on stealing Ulutiu's necklace to unfreeze the entire glacier and murder the 50,000 innocent people that lived there. The unfreezing of the Great Glacier would also cause massive and devastating flooding throughout northern Faerun that would further kill hundreds of thousands, a fact Dygah apathetically disregarded for the sake of his petty vengeance.
Edited by LoreDeluxe on Nov 23rd 2019 at 6:29:02 AM
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.Wasen't there going to be an image for the Fallout page? it had Frank Horrigan carrying a corpse (I couln't find the image on Google images)
Okay, Stoddard's is now at 10
and 5
, while Chang has 10
and 7
.
Here is my next EP. Time for the novels.
What's the work?
Battlefield 3: The Russian
is the Novelization of Battlefield 3 video game, which changes significantly some parts of the plot, while expanding the other parts (like, Dimitri's partners survive and he managed to save Paris and ec.). The Novel still follows Blackburn and Dimitri, but much more focus is put on Dimitri, as his backstory is revealed, as well as his history with Solomon.
Who is Solomon?
A kid from refugee camp in Lebanon in the late 1980s, claiming to be suffering from amnesia and having a gift for languages, he was called Solomon by Americans, in honor of King Solomon from the Old Testament. Being bullied at school, Solomon exacted his revenge on bullies, to which Dimitri described ended with at least three severed heads. After a series of missions, when he was teached by Dimitri Mayakovsky and saved him during one of their last missions together (when they tried to get one valuable scientist in Middle East, before Solomon suggested to kill him and his family, to keep Americans from getting their hands on him, simply because scientist's family was with him at the moment), at the cost of their target, Solomon "disappeared", resurfacing as at first as "Suleiman", fighting with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Russians, before escaping again when Soviet Union fell. Later he tricks CIA into recruiting him, using them to get close to Faruk Al-Bashir, becoming his right hand and helping him to spread destruction all over Middle East and start a war with the US. During this he acquired nuclear devices from Amir Kaffarov (by having Faruk buy them), planning to use them on Paris and New York. As both Dimitri and Blackburn discover his involvement, they try to hunt him down, resulting I Blackburn shooting down his superior officer to stop him from executing Dimitri. Solomon at one point leaves Al-Bashir and steals his nukes, leaving him to deal with Americans by himself, resulting in his death (he is happy though that Solomon will make Americans pay soon with his plan). Setting up his nukes in New York and Paris, Solomon plays a game with Dimitri, messing up with him as he discovers him on an airport. There Solomon mocks him, openly admitting to regretting saving his life and not killing him himself. When Dimitri asked him what did he wanted to achieve, Solomon answered: "The world is out of balance. Something has to give.", before saying that he discovered Dimitri's illegitimate son in Paris and specifically set a bomb at the airport, after discovering that he worked there, simply so this would hurt Dimitri. As Dimitri attacks Solomon, security guards apprehend him, allowing Solomon to escape.
From there Dimitri searches the airport for a nuke, which is capable of destroying the city and kill millions, discovers it and drives to abandoned plant to try to defuse it, while shooting off the security guards, who thought he was the terrorist. He succeeds in detaching the detonator from the bomb, preventing it from exploding, as Blackburn chases Solomon and deactivates his bomb and kills him offscreen.
Heinousness?
Admittingly there is a lot of terrorists in the novel and there is one minister in Russia, who also hoped for the war to happen, but Solomon eclipses them all, as he used them all for his scheme. Being responsible for deaths of hundreds during his work under the terrorists, while also planning to destroy New York and Paris. I think he passes.
Mitigating Qualities?
None. He saved Dimitri during the prologue, only to openly admitting to regret it in the final part, before leaving him with a nuke, hoping he will die with the rest of Paris.
Conclusion?
I will say Yes.
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Nov 23rd 2019 at 8:01:55 PM
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Mark me down as a
to Solomon for now.
So. I talked with Tyk earlier via PM, and Tyk informed me that this may be the best place to ask.
I am currently making a Massively Multiplayer Crossover of RPG Maker horror games, revolving around the Corpse Party series but also including Ib, The Witch's House, Mad Father, all of Uri's games, and many more. It will have some potential keepers for this thread, of course. For now, Tyk will be the one looking at it and making the EPs. Once I bother finishing it- there is currently one installment up, and it is basically just an intro.
Anyways, the reason I am here is to ask if anyone wants to help me writing it, to make sure I get everything right, add their own spin on scenes, and such. Said troper must be willing to handle very dark material- Corpse Party is the center of it, after all. I will try to write it in a way that doesn't feel like pointless gore and edginess, though I may need some help.
So, anyone want to help? If you do, please PM me.
Edited by MasterN on Nov 23rd 2019 at 9:24:44 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Yes to Madison, Karrige, Commander 31, Koss, Chang, Bullock, Solomon and Mandarin.
No to Stoddard.
Here is my very sinister write up:
- Old Man Logan: In the Dead Man Logan mini-series, Sinister is revealed to be the mastermind behind the plan that created the dark future of the Old Man Logan timeline, in which civil society was destroyed and replaced with supervillain controlled fiefdoms, killing millions in the process. Sinister came up with the plan to united the supervillains, kill all the superheroes and take over the world and presented it to the Red Skull. When Old Man Logan is past trying to stop this dark future from taking place, Sinister is in the form of Miss Sinister and learns of the future. Wanting to ensure the Old Man Logan future comes to pass, Miss Sinister recruits Mysterio, hoping to use him to trick the superhero community into killing each other and takes her plans to Red Skull's daughter Sin, working with her to ensure this plan succeeds and helps Sin kill everyone who could stand in their way. After Logan defeats Miss Sinister in the past, Logan goes back to the future, where Sinister has once again taken the form of Mr. Sinister. Mr. Sinister has created a hit squad of Sabertooth clones to do his bidding. Mr. Sinister sends these clones to kill anyone who prevents him from capturing Logan and Bruce Banner Jr. (Hulk's pre-teen son), massacring a gang of cannibals and Forge's encampment of refugees. Mr. Sinister wants to experiment on Logan and Bruce, so he can create an army of super-soldiers to take over the world.
Edited by Overlord on Nov 23rd 2019 at 8:58:11 AM
- SCP Foundation: Dr. Madison Craggs, the jovial scientist behind all SCP-3033
instances, is a Psycho for Hire with a severe case of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. A bioweapons researcher who defected to the Soviets, Madison stole equipment from the GRU and other groups before joining the Chaos Insurgency, proposing the idea of the Mike units to the Delta Command. Experimenting on hundreds of people with live brain surgeries to convert them into unwilling Super Soldiers to act as sleeper agents and vivisecting others, Madison left some of her victims either dead, comatose, mentally-challenged or paralyzed. Describing in perfect detail what would happen to her victims like an excited child, Madison's successful creations were divided into two categories: Mikes with invasive cranial implants that controlled nerve impulses while they are aware of everything, and their handlers, who have been augmented with computer interfaces to enslave Mikes, the "vehicles" and the "drivers" respectively. When given a target by the Delta Command, Madison is disappointed in them for wasting the true potential of the Mikes, which involves clearing minefields, bioweapons dispersal, dangerous labor and "plain old distraction", only changing her mind when she realized that she could kill an associate of her past as payback for having supposedly keyed her car, unleashing the Mikes to commit a massacre at a GRU site that left hundreds of people dead, executing the wounded Mikes before sending them on more missions, killing even a pregnant woman. After Madison was finally captured, she betrayed the Insurgency to live comfortably under Foundation custody, surviving an assassination attempt and vivisecting a crying Mike for fun.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Nov 23rd 2019 at 3:45:32 PM
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Looks great.
As a reminder, anyone who wants to help with my fanfic series
, please PM me.
Edited by MasterN on Nov 23rd 2019 at 9:26:48 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.


Example?