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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192053: Nov 18th 2019 at 1:55:47 PM

Here's a nifty quote if it does get its own page:

Born of tainted womb and dragon lust, the Beast did crawl forth, shrieking and spitting lightning and eating of its week-dead parent's flesh. Blood-born and twisted, terrible and enraged, even the promised centuries of cruelties and slaughter would never quell the shattered paragon's bloodlust. And the Lord of Agonies smiled. Here was his will made flesh. And so he gifted the Beast with two natures, to spread terror and pain, shadow and suffering in mortal guise, mortal cunning in dragon form, this despoiler, this abomination, this Beast called Kazavon.
— "The Seventh Chronicle of Saint Ferais, Dragon Slayer", Pathfinder

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#192055: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:06:22 PM

[tup] to the Crossroads, Ryo, and Pickman (the quote works as well).

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#192056: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:14:03 PM

[up][up][up] How would the following work for a page image?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0gfqja54w9h31.jpg

Also, it's Arazni in Geb's writeup, not Arozni.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#192058: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:27:41 PM

[tup] to The Crossroads, Ryo Ishikawa and Richard Pickman.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#192059: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:28:55 PM

I'm wondering: aside from the Crossroads and MCU!Ego, do we have any other Genius Loci CMs?

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#192060: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:31:50 PM

[up] Mnggal-Mnggal and The Dark Town come to mind...

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#192061: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:34:20 PM

And House the Asteroid in Doctor Who

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#192062: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:43:54 PM

~ACW, did you get my entry correction?

Edit: Never mind. It'll be dealt with later.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:46:42 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192063: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:50:51 PM

Image may work.

Shall I create a page?

I'm trusting those who know the work to order the entries.

FYI, In Death page won't be locked for some time. Mir and myself each have several more possibilities. Among them are Human Traffickers (baby sellers) from me and an Enfant Terrible from Mir.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#192064: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:04:41 PM

[up][up][up] House the asteroid? Do we seriously have that as an actual CM candidate?

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Nov 18th 2019 at 3:04:51 AM

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#192065: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:07:24 PM

[up] Yup. Doctor Who villain. Main villain of the episode The Doctor's Wife.

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Nov 18th 2019 at 6:07:36 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#192066: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:13:38 PM

[tup] to the Crossroads, Ryo, and Pinkman.

Now then here's Mateo's write-up

  • Jack Ryan: Mateo Bastos is President Nicolas Reyes' head of security, but manages to surpass Reyes in sheer cruelty. Participating in the bombing that led to the deaths of Senator Jim Moreno and countless others, Bastos would murder the family of a body guard whom his associates bribed, children included, and later kills the body guard himself; He would also capture a group of rebels and torture them into making false confessions. Bastos would also murder US soldier Matice before having his men degrade Matice's corpse. Bastos would also kidnapped James Greer and torture him at his prison camp where its he kidnapped numerous people throughout Venezuela to be brought here to torture and kill; one such victim includes the husband Reyes' political rival, whom Bastos had kept in his prison camp for years. Bastos would later take Greer to Reyes' mansion for further interrogation while ordering his men to execute his remain 41 prisoners. When Greer frees himself, Bastos uses one of his own men as a Human Shield when Greer tires to shoot him, before trying to escape.

Edited by G-Editor on Nov 18th 2019 at 1:15:33 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192068: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:18:08 PM

I'll create a Pathfinder page tomorrow if nobody objects.

finalsurvivor1 Since: Jan, 2012
#192070: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:33:58 PM

Star King Bazeu is another Genius Loci.

Also gonna [tup] Pickman. I don't usually vote on candidates I'm not familiar with, but that EP was particularly compelling to me for some reason.

Edited by finalsurvivor1 on Nov 18th 2019 at 7:35:33 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192071: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:35:38 PM

Eldritch Abomination and Genius Loci coincide at times it seems (Bazeu, Mnggal squared).

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#192072: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:37:09 PM

And another new post today!

What's the setting?

The Marvel Super Heroes, way back in 1966, was one of the earliest Marvel animated cartoons there was. I use the term "animated" loosely; it's not quite Synchro-Vox, but the cartoon had barely any movement, stiff use of it when there was, and every super hero present looked like a warped mutant. Everyone from Thor to Iron Man had their own segment, and in Captain America's, his old nemesis springs up surprisingly as nasty as ever. Red Skull, everyone!

Who is Red Skull? What has he done?

Once a street rat who was apprenticed by the evil not-Hitler leader of the not-Nazi in not-World War II (censorship and all), Red Skull's power and viciousness grew to such an extreme even his leader fears Red Skull intends to kill him. Red Skull, as flashbacks show us (in surprising detail for a cartoon working with budget that made Hanna-Barbara look like Warner Bros.) made a habit of targeting the "weak and innocent," annihilating entire armies and razing entire populated cities to the ground as a matter of course. In WWII, Red Skull attempts to murder a general friend of Cap's hampering his progress, attempts to kill Captain America, first by downing a submarine filled with a bunch of soldiers, and later brainwashing him to make him assassinate America's own military leader.

Eventually, Red Skull is presumed dead during his and Cap's last tango, but you can never keep a good Nazi supervillain down. Near the end of the series, Red Skull's minions enact his doomsday scheme by awakening the indestructible machine known as the Sleepers, which combined together start laying waste to the countryside and endangering swathes of fleeing civilians. It's revealed this is the ultimate precedent to Red Skull's final posthumous spit; having always promised to destroy the world if he couldn't rule it, Red Skull's coup de grâce takes the form of a gigantic bomb in the shape of his head his Sleepers will detonate in the Earth's core, annihilating the surface of the entire planet and killing off the entire human race.

Thankfully, Cap stops this, but lo and behold, Red Skull was never so dead after all! In the finale, Red Skull is brought into the services of A.I.M., using their Hypno-Helmet to sew further discord. Red Skull attempts to have an innocent man murdered and brainwash the public into believing Captain America did it, and eventually betrays A.I.M. to take their secret weapon: the Cosmic Cube. Red Skull brainwashes the keeper of the Cosmic Cube through a neurochip (one he uses to wipe out the memory of one of his own goons for no reason whatsoever, except "Red Skull shares his triumphs with no one!"), and once he obtains the Cosmic Cube, uses its power to erase the now-useless keeper of the cube from existence.

With the Cube's power, Red Skull intends to make all mankind his hopeless, brainwashed slaves, forcing "every able-bodied man" to become a fighting soldier, building weapons of mass destruction to wage war on the rest of the cosmos to conquer the universe entire. Red Skull and Cap duel one final time, and Cap eventually gets the best of him by throwing him and the Cube off a cliff into the sea, whereupon Red Skull is weighed down by the golden armor he's made for himself and then buried by falling rocks just to make sure he's dead.

Any mitigating factors?

Aside from the litany of gut-bustingly funny faces he makes, nothing. The dude's amazingly vile for a 60s cartoon who does absolutely everything he can under strict censorship, but then again, he's the Red Skull. He can make it anywhere.

Conclusion?

Keeper. Not the worst Red Skull there ever was, but I think he stands out all the more considering the medium (and his goofy faces!).

Edited by Scraggle on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:40:13 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#192073: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:40:15 PM

Yay for Skull

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#192075: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:46:05 PM

This series?

Yes to Skull. Reminds me of how the 90s novel Strucker was only a "German war criminal".

Edited by ACW on Nov 18th 2019 at 7:50:24 AM


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