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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#191026: Nov 9th 2019 at 3:22:05 PM

[tup] Drachnfels

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#191027: Nov 9th 2019 at 3:22:40 PM

[tup] to Drachenfels

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#191030: Nov 9th 2019 at 3:41:34 PM

[tup] Drachenfels.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#191033: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:01:09 PM

Yes to that guy. This makes 7. Just put him at the end of the tree/page? And if we DO have a page, do we need to segregate Fantasy Battle and Age of Sigmar, or nah?

Dude seems like one of those who you could almost feel sorry for (abandoned to die), but then seems to become gleefully sadistic, ala Kyras.

Edited by ACW on Nov 9th 2019 at 7:04:55 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#191034: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:08:54 PM

Is Drachnfels in the tabletop. I though he's just in the book.

Genevieve I know is Canon but I'm not sure on him.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#191035: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:11:26 PM

It's possibly canon. That's why, if and when we get a WH page (and a 40k page), I'll also have it under Lit for examples with their own pages. Hell, this quote is from a book:

"I am the harbinger of your demise. I am the nightmare in all mortals. I am the thing you fear the most. I am death."
Valkia the Bloody, Warhammer

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#191036: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:12:49 PM

Uh too early for a page. Let's see if we can find other examples from the books or games first (tabletop is done).

Though 40K will probably get a page first tbh.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#191037: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:13:41 PM

Drachenfels is from the book, but he's referenced in tabletop stuff.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#191038: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:27:21 PM

So just slot Drachenfels at the end of the tree, at least for now?

Plus I know Lighty may have a few more 40k book examples, so actually, yeah, that may get a page first..

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#191039: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:33:16 PM

[tup]Drachenfels.

Why so serious?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#191040: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:39:43 PM

I think for now, I'll add Drach. to both the WH tree AND to Lit.

Any other of them need to go to both, or just keep the rest at Tabletop for now.

Edited by ACW on Nov 9th 2019 at 7:40:29 AM

AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#191041: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:43:21 PM

[tup] Drakenfels

She/her. Profile pic is by Richard Michael Gomez @StarmansArt. Please watch Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. https://youtu.be/Vm92JNgPbqk
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#191043: Nov 9th 2019 at 5:11:11 PM

[tup] to Constant Drachenfels (every time you think you've grown jaded enough not to be shocked by this thread again, and every time your wrong).

Edited by MGD107 on Nov 9th 2019 at 5:12:06 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#191044: Nov 9th 2019 at 5:13:46 PM

We're the examples from Flowersinthe Attic removed? Because they aren't on the YMMV page.

Edit: My mistake they are here. Probably should fix the link on the Film page to redirect to the new page though.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 9th 2019 at 8:02:32 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#191045: Nov 9th 2019 at 5:41:41 PM

[tup] Drachenfels.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#191046: Nov 9th 2019 at 5:50:05 PM

[tup] to Drach.

If we have enough keepers, I wouldn't mind a Warhammer page or two.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#191047: Nov 9th 2019 at 6:03:23 PM

Mother of god....[tup] Drachenfels and a Warhammer page. I imagine there's like, Dozens of good quotes for it.

Edited by Kylotrope on Nov 9th 2019 at 6:06:40 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
JEM12901 Since: Sep, 2019
#191048: Nov 9th 2019 at 6:09:53 PM

@Demon Duckof Doom I just added Jeremy Blaire and Richard Trager to the "Video Games" section on Hate Sink.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#191049: Nov 9th 2019 at 6:19:50 PM

By the way I was the one who initially E Ped Trager and Blaire. Since the verdict with the latter was overturned I think it can be done with the former.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities

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