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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#190778: Nov 8th 2019 at 6:57:25 AM

[tup] Tian Xian

She/her. Profile pic is by Richard Michael Gomez @StarmansArt. Please watch Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. https://youtu.be/Vm92JNgPbqk
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#190779: Nov 8th 2019 at 7:18:26 AM

[tup] to Tian Xian.

Where do Manhua keepers go, by the way?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#190780: Nov 8th 2019 at 7:22:11 AM

@Imperial Majesty XO Much like Korean Mangas/Manhwas, they go straight to Anime/Manga page. We have the likes of Aji Tae and Freezing trio that were in the Anime/Manga subpages so I think this applies with Chinese Mangas.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#190781: Nov 8th 2019 at 8:28:21 AM

bobg, please add your writeup to the Drafts.

Sure to Tian Xian, for now.

Metal Gear is done smile

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#190782: Nov 8th 2019 at 9:05:46 AM

[tup]Miss Tian Xian.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#190783: Nov 8th 2019 at 9:16:25 AM

Is everyone okay, if i make a slight rewrite for Wiseman from Metal Gear Acid? Just want to add a bit of information about who he is and what his ultimate goal was.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Nov 8th 2019 at 8:16:33 PM

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#190784: Nov 8th 2019 at 9:18:11 AM

[tup] to Tian Xian

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#190785: Nov 8th 2019 at 9:32:45 AM

[up][up] I am fine with it.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#190787: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:32:45 AM

Well, it's about that time of year where another Call of Duty game comes out and we talk about it. It's been 2 weeks since the release of the latest installment, so let's get cracking.

What Is the Work?

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) is a 2019 Continuity Reboot of the Modern Warfare subseries. The series, now taking place in modern day 2019, only shares some of the original characters, such as Captain John Price (who’s about a decade younger than in the original series), even promising Khaled Al-Asad and Mr. Z (heavily implied to be Imran Zakhaev) for the potential sequel.

Russian forces have taken over the fictional Middle-Eastern country of Urzikstan, and an evil terrorist organization called Al-Qatala, led by Omar “The Wolf” Sulaman, has launched an attack on London (poor London, always getting attacked in all these blockbuster action stories). It’s up to a joint effort between the CIA, SAS, and an Urzikstan Liberation rebel force, led by one Farah Karim, to take down Al-Qatala and the Russians responsible for their attacks.

Who Is he?

General Roman Barkov is the central antagonist of the game, and while he may appear to be a man doing whatever he can to protect his beloved Russia from terrorists and other scum, his actions show him to be anything but.

What has he done?

Viewing Al-Qatala as an immense threat to Russia, Barkov invaded the country of Urzikstan, beliving it to be a hive full of terrorists. He takes over the country with brute force by unleashing countless amounts of a poisonous chemical gas he himself produced throughout its cities, killing men, women, and children. Now the ruler of Urzikstan, Barkov, for over twenty years, enslaves the population and has his men round up people (including women and children) considered terrorists to either execute them, or imprison them to be tortured for information. He does all this as a way to suppress the cities of terrorists so that Russia can be protected.

One such incident, which took place in 1999 during his invasion, is viewed by a young Farah and her brother Hadir. They have to evade capture from Russia soldiers and survive the poisonous gas as it kills plenty of people. Their parents die from trying to protect them. Once Barkov captures the young Farah and Hadir, Barkov threw them in prison for ten whole years. Jump to 2009, Farah and Hadir are captured again and tortured for ten days by being provided barely any food or water. Barkov frequently waterboarding them for information on who the Liberation rebel force leader “Commander Karim” is; he also does the same to the countless female prisoners for their support of Karim.

During one of Farah’s tortures, Barkov offered Farah a drink of water, only to instead drink the entire canteen in front of her and pour out whatever remained before waterboarding her. When that’s finished, Barkov holds a female prisoner at gunpoint and promises Farah that he would spare her should she tell her who Karim is. Despite Farah telling her that she is indeed Karim (the truth, as she was sending messages to the outside from inside the prison), Barkov doesn’t believe her, and shoots the prisoner in front of her, all to prove that he calls the shots and can easily take a life; he even blames Farah for what he did (“You see what you made me do?”). Realizing that Hadir took a key from one of his men, Barkov smacks and strangles Farah for information, claiming that the country’s full of terrorists whom he will bring law and order to. Barkov’s interrupted however, by the arrival of Captain Price and his men, leading Barkov to try and burn all the prisoners and evidence of his extreme war crimes.

Making an escape on his helicopter once Price and the Urzikstan Liberation force attack and destroy his chemical weapons factory, Farah sneaks onboard and tries to kill Barkov. As Barkov’s begs for forgiveness while getting stabbed by Farah, Barkov realizes with his final breath that he should have tried harder to get rid of the terrorist scum, before he’s tossed off the helicopter and disowned by Russia itself.

Redeeming Qualities?

Like I said earlier, Barkov wants to protect his country, and has punished the people of Urzikstan for killing his men. But not only does Russia disavow everything he’s done (his actions are independent, and Russia disowns him after he dies), he himself doesn’t even care for his own men, as his soldiers in the level “Hometown” bring up stories of how Barkov frequently executes his men for either incompetence or insubordination. Plus, he only thinks Urzikstan terrorists killed his men, so even his excuse for what amounts to genocide rings incredibly hollow. His actions even cause Al-Qatala to step up their terrorism game as a means to rid him of his position, so in a way, Barkov's actions lead to everything bad that happened in the game.

So no, Barkov’s excuse doesn’t hold up, as he’s nothing more than a delusional, hypocritical coward with a false sense of justice. A classic example of a not-so-well-intentioned Knight Templar. Even his final words of believing he "should have done more" ring hollow, as he's only describing how he should have been more extreme in his actions against possible terrorists like Farah. His death is even viewed as deserving and justified.

Heinousness?

This game is its own thing, and has nothing to do with the previous Modern Warfare games. It still has a lot of villains, so I’ll run down the list of the other major ones.

Hadir Karim, Farah’s brother, staged an attack early in the story in order to steal Barkov’s gas so that he can use it to launch an attack on Russia to kill Barkov and his soldiers, uncaring whatsoever that doing so might start a third world war. Thing is, he truly cares for his sister, is a well-intentioned man, and is only doing this because Barkov tortured him and his sister for over a decade.

Omar Sulaman, the Wolf himself, despite being the leader of the terrorist organization Al-Qatala, and a hypocrite who staged a terrorist attack on London who doesn’t believe one bit of his own rhetoric, unfortunately doesn’t really compare to Barkov and his immense resources and brutal methods. His attack on London kills a few people, but that's about it. It ain't no Eiffel Tower collapsing, that's for sure. That, and if the sequel were to get made, Khaled Al-Asad looks to be an even more vicious Al-Qatala leader than Omar, so he’ll end up being out-heinoused either way.

Finally, Jamal “The Butcher” Rahar, Omar’s right-hand man, despite being a-okay with killing a father and his son, truly cares for his own wife and son. That said, Barkov has killed plenty of children with his own gas, so Rahar’s out-heinoused regardless.

Conclusion

I think he’s a fair keep.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Nov 8th 2019 at 10:33:01 AM

It's Spooky Month!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#190788: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:40:15 AM

[tup]Barkov

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#190790: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:43:09 AM

[tup] to General Roman Barkov.

Okay I’m sorry this is late, but I finally finished season two of Deep State.

Now Deep State is a pretty great Conspiracy Thriller that takes a very scathing look at Western imperialism, and brilliantly deconstructs tropes like I Did What I Had to Do and My Country, Right or Wrong, staring Mark Strong (who sadly did not return for the second season).

It initially follows former MI6 operative Max Easton, who gets forced out of retirement when his son Harry Clarke is seemingly killed following botching a mission in Iran. However, it turns out Harry is not dead and has instead stumbled onto a massive conspiracy, which leads us to our potential candidate, William Kingsley.

Now it’s not 100% clear if Kingsley’s storyline is over yet or not, but it seems likely enough that it is, so now feels a reasonable time to talk about him.

Who Is He:

The founder and CEO of Kingsley Proctor Marine and Hall William Kingsley is a rich and powerful businessman, as well as secretly being a senior member of a War Profiteer and illegal accusation conspiracy composed of numerous other corrupt businessmen. Having made a fortune off both sides during the Afghanistan war, they are looking to create situations to produce similar profits.

Though remaining unseen until the last episode Kingsley is the Big Bad of season one, and remains an important figure for the first half of season two.

What Does He Do:

By his own accounts Kingsley is simply a Southern who happened to make it very big. To further the ends of the conspiracy Kingsley has secretly recruited numerous figures in business and intelligence, to use them to further his own agenda including CIA agent Amanda Jones and MI6 section head George White, Max’s former boss.

A year before the series began, following the discovery of large deposit of Cobalt in Mali, when they were unable to secure the mining rights legally the Conspiracy got to work setting up the situation to ensure that changed namely by destabilising Mali.

To accomplish this they had CIA agent under their control, Nathan Miller arrived in the country and after some difficulties of being captured by local Tuareg resistance leader Issouf Al Moctar, it ended with them setting up the situation to supplying him with arms such as missile launchers to shoot planes out of the sky, making him a credible enough threat to require US intervention.

Kingsley met with Miller after his return, Miller thanked him for paying the fifty million dollar ransom but Kingsley told him not to worry and that he saw it as an investment.

Whilst the Mali plan was still going on in the background, Kingsley turned his attention to what was apparently his own big plan, namely to start a war between the US and Iran, over the suspicions that the Iranian Government were close to creating Nuclear weapons. He used his lawyer Martin Collins to coordinate everything.

Having his agent’s heat up tensions in Iran, they also made an alliance with a corrupt Iranian businessman Ali Adavan to lay the ground work necessary. Through White he had MI6 agents (including Harry and Leyla Toumi) assassinate Iranian government scientists who they were led to believe where senior figures in the nuclear program, but where actually minor figures, to heat up tensions in the country and convince the US there was need to intervene.

When it became clear they had stumbled onto something being wrong, White resorted to forcing Max out of retirement claiming the agents had gone rogue and sending him to assassinate them to clean up the loose end.

To silence an Iranian government official who was a potential threat, Kingsley had a drone strike altered so it hit a wedding the man was attending killing at least twenty people (that way it appeared only a CIA disaster and no one would investigate his death). When a fearful Adavan demanded to be relocated to America or he would reveal said drone strike, Kingsley had his men murder him.

Jones staged the extraction of an Iranian scientist who in reality had already fled the country and been coerced by them to claim the Irian government really was building nuclear weapons, to convince Washington to send a covert team over to Iran to test the soil samples around the supposed site. Kingsley ensuring that Jones had the highly decorated and popular Colonel Franklin led the expedition in the field.

The team of scientist and soldiers were dropped into Iran. However, before the testing could occur they were attacked by Kingsley’s men dressed up as members of Iranian National Guard. The video footage was enough to convince Washington that the Iranians really were building nukes, causing tensions to skyrocket.

With American’s on the verge of ordering a missile strike on the supposed facility in Iran, Kingsley personally held a meeting with other members of the conspiracy to coordinate their official business approach to the war, first supplying everything from weapons to medicine to the American army, then after the war was over they would get the contracts to organise the rebuilding of the establishment, ensuring a massive profit.

He also revealed to the others that to ensure that the war definitely will take place that he’s set it up so that one of the missiles will radically go off course and crash straight into Tehran, killing who knows how many people.

However, Max, Harry and Leyla had managed to work their way through the conspiracy to the point they found Collins and forced him into confessing on camera to Kingsley’s plans. However, rather than expose them (not being willing to risk the likely chance that these people would be powerful enough to weather out the scandal) Max struck a deal with Jones to keep his family safe.

The situation now to big a risk, Kingsley was forced to scarper his plans with Tehran and let the politicians negotiate the tension back down, lying to the rest of the conspiracy that they had lost a key member necessary to continue and expressing the intention to revisit it in a few years. To clean up all the loose ends he had all the men who attacked the scientists killed, and also killed Collins.

Thus Kingsley turned his attention back to ensuring that Mali was a success, by this point Al Moctar’s efforts had gotten to the point that the US government felt that it was necessary to temporarily station 25,000 troops in Mali, Kingsley’s company getting the contracts for building the temporary Military bases (which they intended to make permanent) and hoped the success would recover his lost profits. He sent Miller and Jones into Mali to ensure the situation went off without a hitch.

Only for problems to emerge when it was discovered that Harry and Leyla were in Mali (they having been part of Miller’s mission two years previously, led to believe it was to set up a backchannel in the hopes of avoiding another disaster). A furious Kingsley told Miller to deal with it, or else he would "let them go".

However, Miller discovered the tape from Jones and realising that Kingsley was compromised took it to the head of the conspiracy Hal Weaver. Realising that he was now a liability, Weaver met with Kingsley to make it clear he was going to be frozen out, as they couldn’t risk him exposing the others, so he was going to sell all his Malian contracts to him, and keep his head down.

In the event this came out, Kingsley may have to go prison for a few years but as long as he stuck to the script, Weaver would ensure he would have a nice nest egg waiting for him when he came out. Unhappy but powerless, Kingsley had to agree.

He’s last seen in a bar clearing drowning his sorrows. The ending of season two implying he’s going to be the only member of the conspiracy to go down.

Any Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Traits:

Not really, Kingsley does have a wife but she never appears and he never expresses any care towards her, only mentioning her off hand twice.

When he’s in a good mood he’s reasonably friendly with the people working for him, but it goes out of the window the second the situation deteriorates. He likewise has no problem throwing them under the bus when he doesn't need them anymore.

Now he does give a speech to Jones about how he was very close to the woman who was his first secretary, hiring her out of his own salary when he first started out, staying close to her for forty years under she recently died, even claiming to be closer to her than his own wife. However, the entire speech only happens cause Kingsley is trying to ensure Jones loyalty (this is the same woman who a mere 24 hours previously he was happy to throw under the bus believing he no longer needed her, and is only talking to her because he realised he was wrong), so it’s entirely possible if not likely he made the whole thing up.

Kingsley does warn Jones when she calls him that Weaver and Miller are going to dispose of her. But this isn't presented as anything other than the whining's of man who knows he's lost and doesn't care anymore.

Heinous Standard:

Now this might be the tricky part. Of the people working under him it’s no issue. White, Jones and Miller are all dangerous individuals but they are all complicated people who clearly love their families, and only became part of the conspiracy out of frustration at politics getting in the way of letting them do their jobs and protect their countries. So they accepted his assistance to get things done, leading to them doing more and more favours for him until they were pretty much it was all for him.

Collins is complicate in every act Kingsley pulls of during season one, but the guy is just his go between and he does love his wife. Kingsley’s men are pretty ruthless and a lot are corrupt in their own right, but none of them are heinous enough.

Now there are a lot of other businessmen who are involved in this conspiracy (at least twenty of them), but so far apart from Kingsley and Wheeler none of them have gotten any characterisation or been shown to play any role in their plans.

Weaver himself is certainly worth keeping an eye on, as he is the head of this conspiracy and makes it clear that Mali is their prototype, the season ends with it succeeding (despite it all they still managed to get the mining rights) and him expressing his plan to the other that they replicate the situation all over Africa, to take control of all the mineral wealth that he believes will be the subject of the wars over the next twenty years.

He likewise even claims that he doesn’t have Kingsley’s "restraint" and personally threatens to kill Miller if this fails. However, so far he’s simply been to hands off in the events, whilst he takes over the running for the second half of season two, he constantly leaves the actual details to Miller. Thus it’s too ambiguous exactly how much he directly orders (he probably was responsible for the murder of a US attorney general) save at the end when he threatens to have Miller’s daughter killed, if Miller doesn’t disappear as a local senator is now on the conspiracy’s trail.

Now the only wrinkle is the issue of the culpability. Season one implied that it was Kingsley who was the head of the conspiracy, only for season two to clarify he is not. This throws a few details into doubt, with the strong implication that Mali at least was Wheeler’s plan and Kingsley only assisted.

It likewise makes it unclear if Tehran was solely Kingsley’s plan or if he was implementing it for someone else. However, the presentation of the first season makes it clear that it was Kingsley who was running the operation and behind each of its steps, making him directly responsible for all the deaths.

Conclusion:

I have to admit it was a bit of an anti-climactic ending considering how he was built up during season one. But even with the reveals, I can’t see any reason for Kingsley not to qualify.

Edited by MGD107 on Nov 8th 2019 at 10:58:33 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#190791: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:56:00 AM

Tentative [tup] William Kingsley.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#190792: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:56:09 AM

Sure to Barkov.

Unsure on Kingsley; he may just be a pawn in Weaver's scheme.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#190793: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:03:07 AM

ACW: Weaver is Kingsley's boss and as I said its unclear if Tehran was Kingsley's plan or he just implemented it. But I can't go that far.

Its Kingsley who each member of the conspiracy answered to during season one, its Kingsley who Collins directly names in his confession and its Kingsley who sets out to several other members of the Syndicate how this going to play out.

Even if it was Weaver who set the agenda, Kingsley is the one running the operation to the point he can call it off without arising any of the other members suspicion.

Edited by MGD107 on Nov 8th 2019 at 11:05:19 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#190794: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:05:26 AM

Yes there, and to Barkov.

Now, one I want to put in...

What's the work?

The Testaments is a recent work by Margaret Atwood, and a sequel to her seminal, dark Sci-Fi novel The Handmaid's Tale, set in the Republic of Gilead,a theocratic nightmare that has replaced the US. The book narrated by Aunt Lydia, a character from the previous novel; Agnes, a young woman living in Gilead; and Daisy/Nicole, a young woman living in Canada, the two being the daughters of the former Handmaid Offred...now let's talk one of the worst: Commander Judd.

Who is Judd?

An older commander and one of the men most responsible for the nightmarish hell Gileas is. Judd was one of those who helped to overthrow the old order of the US and plunge the country into the theocratic monstrosity Gilead is...women have no rights, save as property, and even worse is a system Judd helped design: the Handmaid system, to give children to the commanders, and the 'Aunt' system...aunts, like Lydia, are selected as 'supplicants' who are raised in isolation and charged with overseeing the laws of the Handmaids and the women, indoctrinating them into eternal servitude where their only value are as wives and mothers....foreign girls are also lured to Gilead to become aunts, or sex slaves as Handmaids...Handmaids? Are used as surrogates, with the commanders attempting to impregnate them to have children their wives will raise, with the Handmaids passed around until they run out of use.

But Judd? His wives are young. Disturbingly so...he's been married multiple times, since, well...the children he marries? Judd rapes them until he's tired of them. And then he murders them, with nobody really looking too deeply into it since they're just girls, he's a Commander and then of course, well...Judd plans to forcibly marry Agnes, who is terrified of such a fate and joins the Aunts as a Supplicant to be beyond his reach...and soon discovers Judd is a serial killer of his young wives. Judd tries to forcibly marry Nicole to also consolidate his political power in Gilead...Agnes and Nicole however, give him the slip and flee to Canada, with Aunt Lydia's assistance...using the intel Nicole obtains, Gilead's secrets are broadcast and a purge is held, with the order of Gilead falling utterly. Judd's fate is unseen, but he is presumably killed in the purge, or subsequently made to pay for his crimes like the other Commanders.

Agnes and Nicole? Are reunited with their mother in Canada. Sometimes we get the happy endings we deserve.

Mitigating Qualities?

Judd is a child rapist and serial killer. There's no sugarcoating that. Gilead is bad and formed by no one single guy, but Judd was a major player, the architect of some of its worst aspects and a damned evil bastard...while state-sanctioned rape is a daily occurrence in Gilead, the child marriage and serial killing thing is unique to Judd.

Conclusion?

Hell yes

Mew1996 Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#190795: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:07:05 AM

Hello, I'm back.

Instead of nominatin a character, I would like to nominate a few quotes for the Fan Works folder.

"Your son and your wife. Dead by your manipulating," (shakes her head) "You are a monster."

Ladies and gentlemen, the mind of a sociopath.
shinigamisparda comenting on Amadeus Blueblood in the coment section of his POV chapter. The Assassination of Twilight Sparkle

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#190796: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:07:36 AM

I'll edge yes to Kingsley then.

Yes to Judd.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#190797: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:08:15 AM

I think those quotes are more apropos for The Sociopath and You Monster!

Mew1996 Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#190798: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:08:45 AM

Dear Sky Cat, about what you said well, I like fantasy and magic. [tup] Judd

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#190799: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:08:52 AM

[tup]Judd.

Why so serious?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#190800: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:10:01 AM

Found this at The Testaments:

  • Complete Monster: Commander Judd, the brain behind the creation of the Aunts, is a corrupt, power-hungry Bluebeard who preys on his very young wives.
    • Becka's father is a disgusting pedophile and the reason she is so terrified of marriage.

Judd's a keeper, but what about Becka's father?


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