During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I think I'll give Ellen a
. At some point, you have to say Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse. There are countless other characters who had the same sort of upbringing and turned out better.
- The Shape by Dave McRae: In this story, serving as a followup to Halloween (2018), Michael Myers is shown to have survived the burning of the Strode House and is further enraged by violent defeat. After the fire was put out, Michael kills Sheriff Barker and proceeds to massacre the police, paramedics and news crew on the scene, as well as desecrating Ray Nelson's body. It's revealed Michael also wiped out a police station and news station, and said massacre was broadcasted. Continuing his rampage, Michael proceeds to break into different homes, and killings more of Haddonfield's residents, including Lonnie and Cameron Elam. Laurie Strode and her allies follow Michael's trail of destruction to a house where Michael kills a family, with the only survivor being a girl named Sandy, attempt to lure Michael into another trap results in Leigh Bracket's death. When Laurie and Michael fight in the Myers house, Laurie ends up sacrificing herself to kill Michael once and for since there was no way to finish him off without them both burning to death.
- Sherlock Holmes vs Dracula: In this revision of the original Dracula novel with the inclusion of Holmes and Watson, Count Dracula himself has arrived in England in order to make it his new hunting ground and expand his influence. Upon arrival, Holmes investigates the wreck of The Demeter, whose crew and captain were killed by Dracula on his travels. Dracula turns Lucy Westerna on a vampire who'd feed on children, leading to her having to be killed. Perceiving Holmes as a threat, Dracula warns him of the armies he commands, and boasts about the deeds he committed against Jonathan Harker, and later rips the throat out of a prostitute to intimidate them. Failing this, Dracula kidnaps Watson's wife Mary, threatening physical harm if Holmes continues to interfere. Dracula locks Mary in a box as he plans to travel to America to start his operations anew, leading to the deaths of his ships crew, as well as Holmes and Watson's guide in the ensuing pursuit. In the end, Dracula questions Watson on why he was as devoted as Holmes and Van Helsing to stop him, apparently disappointed at Watson's simple answer that Holmes is his friend.
- The Believers: Palo is a practitioner and shaman of a malevolent version of brujería (witchcraft) of the Santería religion. Spreading his influence into New York, Palo converts many of the cities rich and powerful into the sacrificial murder of their own children for more power, and gains a large following. When Tom Lopez, a cop infiltrating the cult discovers the truth, Palo uses his dark magic to drive him mad with paranoia and later suicide; he also torments Lieutenant McTaggert into eventually killing himself when he too discovers the truth. The cult plans to initiate Cal Jamison by having him sacrifice his son Chris, with Palo hospitalizing Cal's girlfriend Jessica by putting spider eggs in her makeup, causing spiders to crawl out of a blister on her face. When Palo's supposed surrogate mother comes to her senses and attempts to warn Cal, Palo murders her too. When Cal defies the cult to save his son, Palo murders Cal's friend Marty in the ensuing chase, before trying to kill Cal himself.
- Fanscription: What if Ghost Busters II Was Better ?: This take on Vigo the Carpathian is much more dark than his canon counterpart. A blood tyrant who killed and tortured thousands in life, as a ghost he lords over a Hellish dimension where he torments the spirits of his victims and feeds off their fear. Orchestrating a series of hauntings in New York to grow his power and influence, and according to a prophecy would return from the dead with a bride and child at his side; from this he targets Peter's pregnant finance Dana and plans to bind her soul to his with a cursed wedding ring. Through his minions, he gets the Ghostbusters shut down as he continuously makes advancements on Dana. When the time was right, Vigo's army is unleashed upon the city, possessing its many statues to wreck havoc and endanger its people. When the Ghostbuster's team up with Vigo's vengeful victims to break his hold, Vigo briefly possesses Peter and attempts to forcibly marry Dana in a last ditched effort to win.
- SCP Foundation
- The Ambassador of Alagadda is a representative of the Court of Alagadda who, unlike its indifferent master, sees human suffering as fun. As the second-in-command of the realm, the Ambassador has shown itself as the true power over Alagadda. In Theology of the Snake, it's shown to have manipulated and corrupted the previously human Hanged King, usurped his royal court, and systematically leading to the kingdom into its twisted form. The Ambassador manipulated famed poet Christopher Marlowe into writing a self-evolving memetic virus in the form of SCP-701, a play that when performed would Mind Rape participants and audience alike into a homicidal frenzy, leading to tens of thousands of massacres, human sacrifices and mass suicides for the last three hundred years until such an event occurred at a high school, with some survivors left permanently psychotic or comatose. When the Foundation sent a MTF squad to investigate the realm of Alagadda, the Ambassador used its psychic powers to force the agents into torturing themselves for its amusement, returning only one survivor as a warning to the Foundation, but not before forcing him to see the face of the Hanged King, causing him to repeatedly attempt suicide even after the Foundation had to amputate his limbs.
- Jeser, better known as the Prince of Many Faces was a proud and narcissistic god who ruled over a dozens of dimensions to toy with as pleases. When the Scarlet King invaded, the Prince didn't hesitate to sell out his worlds to be subjugated in exchange for joining the Scarlet King's royal court. The Prince would enjoy his new position to inflict as much pain as he pleases to hundreds of worlds, aiding the Scarlet King's conquests of the multiverse by warping the wills of mortals, and in his spare time would help sow chaos among his fellow gods by bringing up past grudges. Despite his great position as the Scarlet King's right hand, he openly despises his master for having more power than he does, enviously watching him torment his concubines and the only reason he doesn't try to usurp the Scarlet King is because the king is far more powerful than he is.
Now...my Halloween posts...
What's the work?
Perhaps the final entry b HP Lovecraft, from The Last Test, written with Adolphe de Castro...an investigation of the death of the brilliant bacteriologist Alfred Clarendon. Traveling the world to conquer disease, he runs into an assistant named Surama, a mysterious, pale and emaciated man with incredible knowledge....and things begin going wrong...let's talk Surama.
Who is Surama?
Strongly implied to be a ruthless serpent man out to corrupt and cause destruction, Surama begins to twist Clarendon to evil. Clarendon and his wife set up in San francisco with Clarendon becoming a doctor at a state penitentiary....and the black fever spreads. Manipulating Clarendon's misfortune, Surama plays his obsession in the plague to begin experimenting on living beings...first animals, then human beings. People begin vanishing, dying under the experiments
Turns out Surama has no intention of curing anything. Rather, he's just twisted Clarendon to love killing for the sake of killing. The 'black fever' is an otherworldly plague that Surama plans to spread. Lots and lots of people die...starting with their assistants from Tibet, then other innocents and even children, all dying in infected agony. Our hero, dalton, the old friend of Clarendon learns that Clarendon met Surama via a dark temple thanks to tribesmen...and Surama was only too eager to prey on a new world. Surama? Intends to kill Clarendon as well, and then to spread the black fever across the world, killing countless innocents with apocalyptic intentions. Clarendon, now deathly ill as well, manages to turn on his wicked assistant and sets fire to Surama's lab...dying to stop Surama, with Clarendon's blackened skeleton recovered, along with a set of bones....'neither man nor Saurian,' with Surama's wickedness stopped there.
Mitigating Qualities?
Nope. Surama is described as just evil. He's a malevolent being, human or not, with full agency, who's in this just to hurt others. He corrupts Clarendon into a mad scientist who experiments on innocents for the sheer fun of murdering them, infecting them all horribly, including children...with a massive apocalyptic goal. Surama is pure wickedness through the story and more than a bit gleeful about it under his stoicism.
Conclusion?
And there's a yes.
Yes to Myers and Surama, cut Philip... Ellen, I'm going to read the diary myself at some point. Sorry to Elfen and the others who've already done so but I can see this one going either way and things have been misinterpreted before, so I'd be more comfortable confirming first-hand.
@ ACW, New page when tho?
Edited by 43110 on Oct 31st 2019 at 10:19:13 AM
The second...
What's the work?
The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires is a joint film by Hammer Horror and the Shaw Brothers, entailing Van Helsing traveling to China to face a resurrected Dracula and his kung fu vampire servants. Yes, it's that awesome. You know who we're talking about here....let's talk Dracula.
who is Dracula?
Revived at the start by a Taoist monk named Kah who wishes to revive the seven golden vampires, whose power is fading and only Dracula can restore them to glory. Seeking a chance for more power, Dracula returns to life by murdering Kah and stealing his body....heading to rural China to begin preying on others and put the Seven Golden Vampires under his power. Now, in China, van Helsing is going across to give lectures over vampiress and investigate the legends of the Seven Golden Vampires...we see Dracula, to prepare their revival? Is going for human sacrifice, kidnapping women, strapping them down and painfully having their blood drained. A farmer in the past, caught this resurrection but prevented it by taking the high priest's medallion. The farmer managed to conceal the magic medallion on holy ground, meaning the vampires can't quite touch it, and van Helsing is seeking the truth with the remaining vampires terrorizing the region.
With a group of good guys, the investigations yield fruit and kung fu vampire fighting ensues. Dracula encounters van Helsing and raises an army of the undead, sending them after Van Helsing....the heroes are pushed back to the village and Dracula gives his order to massacre them all. The vampires slaughter the village, even killing most of the heroes, though the seven golden vampires are destroyed in the process, but one of the last heroines is captured and taken so Dracula can bleed her in a sacrifice...with the last vampires destroyed, Van Helsing confronts Dracula and in the last fight, impales him through the heart, causing Dracula to fall to dust.
Mitigating Qualities?
Nope. The film isn't part of Hammer's main Dracula canon, so it's on its own and unique. Dracula has a lot of murder, has a village massacred and plots to raise an undead army to conquer the world. He has no redeeming qualities and is as wickedly evil as ever here.
Conclusion?
And a yes to kung fu Dracula.
And the third, and possibly final one, I had planned, and one of my favorites...
what's the work?
A Night in Lonesome October is a favorite book of mine, by Roger Zelazny....in the 19th century, a small English village is host to a creepy little game that determines the future of the world. The Openers, who seek to open the world to cosmic horrors, and the Closers, who seek to keep it shut. The players include such personages as Sherlock Holmes, Jack the Ripper, Count Dracula, and so forth,e ach with a familiar...the POV is Snuff, the dog of Jack the Ripper....each makes alliances, plots and so forth, against one another until the fate of the world is decided...one we'll discuss? The leader of the Openers, Vicar Roberts.
Who is Vicar Roberts?
The local vicar and a seemingly overzealous priest who's perturbed at so many new folks showing up in his village so close to All Hallows...Roberts is in truth the head of the Openers and the cruelest of thm all. A remorseless murderer, Roberts practices regular Human Sacrifice, consecrating his murders to the Old Ones with the intention of bringing them to earth. When the Game is set to begin, Roberts murders the Closer Rastov the Monk, using the murder to throw suspicion towards Jack while also trying to murder the other Closers along the way.
Now, a girl named Lynette? Roberts needs a sacrifice on October 31 to win the game, distractign the others so he can unlock the door to the Old Ones and unleash them upon humanity, exterminating the world and causing the apocalypse out of his fanaticism towards them..with Lynette kidnapped, Roberts prepares the sacrifice, but the Closers have divined his purpose and move to confront him...and with them is the Count, Dracula himself, a proper Magnificent Bastard this time who likes the world the way it is...Roberts tries to kill them, even shooting talbot the wofl man with silver he'd prepared. The battle for the world begins with the gate open as Roberts tries to end all things, but Talbot manages to get to Roberts and stop his ritual. In the ensuing battle, Roberts is thrown with Talbot, who sacrifices himself to fling them through the gate together...Talbot may survive on the other side (and will be just as happy to do damage to the monsters who live there in werewolf form), but Roberts? Is in for a most horrific end...
Mitigating Qualities?
None. Roberts is the nastiest of the Openers and the most ruthless of the novel's villains. He kills Rastov and he's a regular murderer besides...and he's the most gung-ho, dedicated and effective in unleashing the Great Old Ones, which will be a horrific apocalypse of madness and slaughter. For a short book, this is pretty awful indeed.
Conclusion?
And a hearty yes to the Vicar. Happy all Hallows!
Surama... I'll admit the name sounds... Indonesian or Sanskrit-ish
Kung Fu Dracula
Vicar... A book titled "A Night In Lonesome October"? No wonder you got your inspiration for making "A Night In Lonesome Arkham"
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 31st 2019 at 7:37:41 AM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

Abstain on Ellen.