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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#189502: Oct 29th 2019 at 5:06:57 AM

[tup] to Boris

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#189503: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:10:59 AM
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#189504: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:17:06 AM

[tup]Boris.

On that note: OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH! Troper, how DARE you propose an entry with the same name as the father of Caillou?! That is it- You Are Grounded! Grounded Grounded Grounded for 81037284739364 quintillion decades! Go to Your Room! Now! Or you will be Grounded Forever!

On another note, am going to read Flowey story soon. Will make EP afterwards.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 29th 2019 at 7:18:02 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#189505: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:30:21 AM

I have the entries

  • Getter Robo: Through the years, both the original pilots and their successors have faced enemies whose ambition has lead to countless suffering.
    • Emperor Brai of the Hyakki Empire started as a unknown scientist that became a threat to the world after finding a ship from the Andromeda Country that turned him into a "demon" to defeat the Getter Robo. Building his army and taking advantage of the invasion of the Dinosaur Empire, the Hyakki Empire turns humans into brainwashed demons that are send to their deaths in a war that ends with the humiliating death of Emperor Gore. In Getter Robo G, The Hyakki Empire turns delinquents such as Hayato's cousin in brainwashed cyborgs, stage a massacre in a building with the intention of using poison gas, attempt a alien invasion and tries to use a deadly bioweapon. When the Getter Team fights Uzhara, a powerful robot from Atlantis, Brai takes advantage of their temporal absence, sends a small squad to kill the surviving Atlanteans and launches a brutal invasion of Japan where the Hyakki Army burns cities and captures and chains the survivors, taking them as hostages. Saved for the Andromeda Country and turned into a monstrous cyborg to help their attemps to destroy humanity after his defeat, Brai returns in Shin Getter Robo to destroy the Saotome Institute.
    • Getter Robo Go: Professor Alrich zu Lando is an Evil Overlord whose mission is to Take Over the World. Starting as a scientist working in a joint project in the Arctic known as the Vega Zone, Lando takes control over it by brainwashing the scientists to turn them into cyborgs. Years later, Lando starts his war of conquest with mass murder, attacking Canadian and American soldiers. Determined to obtain the Getter Robo Go from Japan, Lando has no compunction using nuclear weapons on a Japanese city and threatening more attacks and the killing of as many people as necessary, all borne out of his desire to rule the world.

By the way, nobody from the Andromeda Country works. They're a alien empire from the far future trying to save themselves from a bigger spacial empire, the human race and their Getter rays-fueled weapons. They attack humanity in the present because they want to prevent the existence of the Getter Emperor but ironically, they only lead to humanity going to new heights.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 29th 2019 at 9:39:40 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#189506: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:38:17 AM

So I have been replaying the Superman Returns video game, because I love punishing myself and I am embarrassed by the EP I did for it. I think we need to cut Mongul. He's really no different than any other boss in the game. Sorry about that.

However I think there was a person I over looked. Who has some new crimes added.

Who is Lex Luthor?

Lex Luthor is released from prison and cons an old lady out of her house and belongings. He travels to the Fortress of Solitude where he learns the secrets of data crystals. Discovering Superman has returned, Lex tests the crystals and causes a mass blackout, that releases numerous criminals and creatures onto to Metropolis. Two of these people Bizarro and Riot go on rampages threatening the lives of citizen and destorying everything in there path.

When Lois sneaks aboard his yacht and confronts him about the damage he caused, Lex reveals that he plans to use the crystals to grow the continent that would destroy most of North America and potentially kill billions of lifes. Lex launches the crystal if the sore of Metropolis causing multiple tornados ( the final boss by the way) that threaten to destroy the city. Abounding Lois on his boat to drown, Lex heads to the island where he sadisticly beats Superman duo to Kryptonite lacing the island and reveals he was the one who made up the rumors about Krypton being alive to get rid of Superman. He kicks Superman off the island. Superman saves the day and Lex gets away.

Redeeming qualities?

None. He is not well intentioned like his comics counterpart. He also lacks the comedic moments of his film self. He doesn't treat Kitty Kowalski bad, but he doesn't really treat as anything more than a minion either.

Heinous standard?

He has a lot of the same crimes as his film counterpart, but adds some new ones like causing the riots, which while not part of his plans he shows absolutely no remorse for. We see a map of what his will continent will do and he laughs off the potential billions of deaths it could cause.

Conclusion?

I leave it up to you, but I am leaning towards yes.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 29th 2019 at 9:38:44 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#189508: Oct 29th 2019 at 7:44:04 AM

ACW: Yeah they are I guess. I guess we could keep him if only by just a little bit. Those two would be the only ones though. I just wanted to lay it all on the table. Because I was really embarrassed by that EP.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 29th 2019 at 10:13:08 AM

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Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#189509: Oct 29th 2019 at 8:10:19 AM

[tup] Boris. I would make a joke about that with Boris the Animal, but he’s already a CM.

[tup] Lex Luthor.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Oct 29th 2019 at 8:11:58 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#189510: Oct 29th 2019 at 8:16:35 AM

[tup]Lex Luthor

Want to point out minor error in Silent Hill page. Quote under an image lacks " at the end.

It reads like this:

"He was a light snack. His heart was in excellent condition. And it was tasty.

I think we should put " at the end.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#189513: Oct 29th 2019 at 8:46:38 AM

Yay to Luthor.

RIP KissAnime.
AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#189514: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:04:26 AM

[tup] Lex

She/her. Profile pic is by Richard Michael Gomez @StarmansArt. Please watch Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. https://youtu.be/Vm92JNgPbqk
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#189515: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:12:45 AM

[tup] Lex Luthor.

By the way, I am writing a story and want someone to look at it (not now, though- will not be finished for a while). Can a character qualify if they have an Even Evil Has Standards moment, an evil deed they will not do and are disgusted by, but later become comfortable with doing said deed? In other words, they have a moral standard but then discard that standard later on?

Edited by MasterN on Oct 29th 2019 at 9:14:27 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#189516: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:13:46 AM

[up] Oh yeah, if they throw that away, that's just like throwing away a loved one. No issue there.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#189517: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:16:56 AM

Hey guys, I suggested this image a while ago, and I think it kinda got forgotten about and/or no one noticed it, so I’m bringing it back to see what you guys think:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/81/Sweet_Tooth_killing_Calypso.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130921185837

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#189518: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:32:43 AM

[up][up]On a similar note, what about a brutal Well-Intentioned Extremist and Knight Templar who gets a Shut Up, Hannibal! form the heroes. Halfway through the work, the hypothetical villain has a Heel Realization and realizes that they are a power-hungry villain who cannot call themselves a hero while doing what they are... and decides to continue doing evil anyway, but now fully embraces their evil nature, and makes sure to thank the heroes for helping them realize that they were holding themself back with their silly morals and justifications?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#189520: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:42:43 AM

Jumping Off the Slippery Slope? Yeah. Look at Zul; Dark Enerjak; Pharma; Gelimer; or Arcturus, among probably others.

Sure to the image.

Edited by ACW on Oct 29th 2019 at 12:43:06 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#189521: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:48:44 AM

I have a doctor's appointment today so here's Lex's write up.

  • Superman Returns game: Lex Luthor is worse than his film counterpart. Faking reports of Krypton being alive to get rid of Superman, Lex is released from jail and cons a elderly woman out her belongings. Lex steals and experiments on the data crystals, causing a blackout that unleasing multiple criminals onto the city, including Bizarro and Riot. Lex's ultimate goal is to use the crystals to build a continent that would destroy most of North America and potentially kill billions. Lex later plants the crystals, causing tornadoes, and abandons Lois Lane to die. When Superman comes to the island, Lex beats him up and throws him into the ocean to die. Uncaring and out only for himself, Lex laughs off any of the damage he causes.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 29th 2019 at 11:53:32 AM

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Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#189522: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:54:42 AM

@ACW Hey ACW, I need to ask. If the image gets approved, do I need to put it in the drafts. Just want to be for certain.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#189523: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:55:18 AM

Yeah, please do. I'll create a tree with the current image of Doll-Face.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#189524: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:57:44 AM

Also how many does Lex make for Spacey?

Edited by Bullman on Oct 29th 2019 at 12:30:22 PM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009

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