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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

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When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#18876: Nov 10th 2013 at 3:49:17 PM

RE the Korra ones:

First, I really think we need to wait and see, but as it stands right now, Unalaq is probably the clearer keep of the two. I'd say with Varrick that he has a potential redeeming factor in his friend/mentor relationship with Bolin, and we'll have to see if that is shown as being genuine or conversely shown as just manipulation.

edited 10th Nov '13 3:49:52 PM by Hodor

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despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18877: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:16:54 PM

@18882 Yuri doesn't appear in the canon Allied campaign but he plays a large role in the Soviet campaign. Here, he'a basically the Starscream to Premier Romanov and claims to be a servant to the Soviet cause. By mind controlling the latter, he starts to gain more and more power, eventually taking over to give the orders to the player. When General Vladimir finds out about his plans, Yuri then murders Romanov, blames it on Vladimir, and asks the player to capture Vladimir where it's implied that he will be murdered. After a few more missions, Yuri then asks the player to come to his place for congratulations, implying his intent to murder him/her out of fear of getting too strong. Lieutenant Zofia later tells the player about Yuri's plans and you get to kill him in the last part of the game.

The expansion pack, Yuri's Revenge, shows off more of Yuri's contempt for humanity. During the Allied Campaign, he has built up his own army behind the backs of the defeated Soviets. His plan is to use "Psychic Dominators" to mind control everyone in the world so that they will be slaves to his rule. He has succeeded in doing this right after the Allied Campaign, which forces either the Soviets or Allies to use a time machine to go back in time and defeat him. The units and buildings Yuri has created for his army are a sign of his inhumanity. Aside from slave utilizing ore miners and cloning buildings, he has constructed "Grinders", which are used in the plot to kill mind controlled citizens and grind their bodies down for resources.

Utilizing all of this, Yuri is the Bigger Bad to Red Alert 2 and is an incredibly dangerous villain who simply wants to rule everything through mind control.

Not sure if he counts.

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18878: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:30:43 PM

Also found this on Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3,

  • Complete Monster: Shinji Shimada in Uprising. Izumi in the same expansion later turns out to be one as well.
    • Add Natasha to the list. One of her quotes is asking why she isn't given any little children to kill.

I'm cutting Natasha and maybe Izumi but Shinji looks like something.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#18879: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:36:36 PM

I know we can't determine Unalaq until his arc is over, but...did I read that right? Varrick? VARRICK? That guy's a despicably amoral and greedy mastermind, but he has done nothing worthy of the label Complete Monster yet. Yakone over on the "Never Again" list was more heinous than he is. Non-CM villains like Zhao or Azula were more heinous than he is. Like Ambar said, Amon was more heinous than he is. Varrick's done unscrupulous things in the name of furthering a civil war that he can profit off of, but that's still not even over the Moral Event Horizon yet. Do people really liken this trope to just "villain" that much? just bugs me

and precisely right on Unalaq. I think most of us are pretty clear: "Probably, but wait."

Exactly. Right now Unalaq seems to be among the most evil characters in the work, but we still have to oblige by the "Don't get caught up in the excitement: wait until it's over" rule, and remember what happened with Tarrlok. Unalaq has been called Tarrlok 2.0 already by some, and showing the full extent of his evil-ness at the end of one episode with four episodes remaining is exactly the point where Tarrlok got labeled a Complete Monster prematurely on the wiki, and that's the point Unalaq is at now. We do not want to make the same mistake again. In two week's time we'll see - it could be that Vaatu has darkened Unalaq's heart to make him this bad, or it could be that Unalaq really is this bad on his own.

edited 10th Nov '13 4:44:20 PM by ANewMan

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#18880: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:39:47 PM

I was going for diplomatic here, but...yeah. Varrick is a longshot..

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18881: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:44:17 PM

MOAR

All-American Girl

  • Complete Monster: Plenty of them to be found, with Chrysalis, the Republic of Pirates and Nightmare Moon as the top examples.

Animal Kingdom

  • Complete Monster: "Pope" is a creepy pervert, more so after Barry (who seemed to hold him in check) is killed. Some might actually find Janine ordering the execution of her own grandson more monstrous though.

Anthronauts

  • Complete Monster: Remember how we all felt sorry for Meilin when Vom Karot murdered her? Well it turns out she was a petty, selfish, self-obsessed bitch who abused and manipulated Rexley, and brutalized her own sister Mandy and manipulated her parents to have her committed. All because she hit on Rexley.

Archipelago

  • Complete Monster: Snow. The man has next to zero empathy. By the same token, anyone who has a raven in them could become this as the Great Raven controls their minds. They have been known to threaten pregnant women, if that gives you any idea. But Snow is extra-special.
    • The Great Raven itself.

Area D

  • Complete Monster: The professor who took in Jin and his brother only to run experiments on them.

Arrow

  • Complete Monster:
    • The Count appears to be a complete sociopath nutjob who subjects people to such excruciating pain that they would rather shoot themselves to end the pain than shoot him for revenge. Worse, he views the number of people who died to perfect his drug Vertigo as a measure of its value, comparing it to wine being measured by its age.
    • Cyrus Vanch is another gleeful sociopath who kills practically everyone he comes into contact with and hires mooks that he knows will be killed for the sole purpose of running down the Hood's quiver.
    • The Dollmaker is an unbelievably creepy Serial Killer who seems more at home in a horror film than this series. While he fits the mold of a standard collector-type, he doesn't actually keep the bodies meaning he wants people to see his exploits.

Average Joe in Bullet Hell

Azula Trilogy

  • Complete Monster: Ilook is a sociopath who loves torturing others and who bastardized waterbending into an art of destruction.

Bad Alert: The Extreme

  • Complete Monster
    • Lady Tremaine. She murdered her husband, imprisoned her step-daughter and made her a scullery maid, encouraged her daughters to be snooty, selfish, lazy and cruel, allied herself with Dr. Nefarious, attacked Blackwater City and killed it's mayor, kidnapped a Keyblade Master and was directly responsible for a Lombax being captured, and later tried to murder her step-daughter and the Keyblade Master out of hatred.
      • Her daughters also count, being just as evil. The author believes that they may be Princesses of Darknessnote , and the opposite of their step-sister, who is a Princess of Heart.
    • Courtney Gears also counts. She kidnaps and tortures Clank, sends Gear Grinders to attack the Electrolls, turns Skidd into a robot, and later tries to murder Ratchet, also out of hatred.

Someone has to make a list of works that have qualified Complete Monsters so that can use it to check entries on this page that aren't on it.

edited 10th Nov '13 4:45:53 PM by despoa

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#18882: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:47:25 PM

On the Goosebumps.YMMV page, there are currently four entries under the Complete Monster tag. Is is appropriate to make a subpage for them or whatever?

To my knowledge, only Slappy counts by virtue of being a G-rated rapist and domestic abuser on top of being sadistic.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#18883: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:10:39 PM

Cut the lot, though I rewrote the Arrow examples. I'll replace soon.

As or Goosebumps...I think we cleared Toggle and the Menace. I know we cleared Karl

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#18884: Nov 10th 2013 at 6:27:31 PM

@Anew Man

We are in one hundred percent agreement on that.

@despoa

You didn't need to tell me what Yuri's done. I've played the game. I was asking the forum as a whole if anybody wanted me to provide a list of what Yuri's done. I'd say you've done a pretty good job of that, though, so I think I'll just pick up where you left off.

One of the issues here is that, bad as Yuri is, when we first meet Stalin, he's discussing the effect of a nerve gas on civilians. He then (if I recall correctly) orders you, the commander, to take some units and butcher a town full of noncombatants. Yuri doesn't do anything quite like that in the Soviet campaign, and he doesn't have his own campaign in the expansion (much to my annoyance). Obviously, trying to use his Psychic Dominator to Mind Rape the world into serving him is going to get him major points, but the whole "killing your rivals" thing happens in almost all Command and Conquer games in the evil campaign. Stalin's inner circle are all backstabbers (and on Kane's payroll) and Kane's inner circle is just as bad. Hell, in Tiberium Sun Anton Slavic spends the first couple of missions waging a coup d'etat against his bosses.

That said, I think this is where we have to start talking about the units we see in gameplay in order to assess Yuri. Most of the Soviet units, in all three games, believe in the Communist cause. This isn't necessarily the case with Yuri. His miners are, as despoa mentioned, slaves, whose dialogue consists of complaints about how rough their lives are. His units include the Brutes (horribly mutated Hulk ripoffs; you can create them at the Barracks or en masse with the Genetic Mutator weapon, turning enemies, civilians, or your own troops into Brutes), Viruses (snipers who fire a viral bullet), and Masterminds (giant cloned brains on tracks, who possess other units, and self-destruct if they control too many). He has a building called the Grinder in place of a Depot; instead of fixing units, he grinds them up for cash (they scream while you do so). Where Allied superweapons allow them to create a storm or control time, and the Soviets just get a nuke (I forget what their second weapon is), Yuri gets the aforementioned Genetic Mutator which turns unwilling victims into mindslaved Brutes, and the Psychic Dominator, which seizes control of the minds of whoever it is aimed at.

The Allies don't have anything to compare to the nastiness of Yuri's faction. The Soviets have units like the Iraqi Desolator (who fires radiation into the ground and/or melts people with it) and the Libyan Demolition Truck, and a number of Sociopathic Soldier types (the Apocalypse tank and the Kirov especially) but those are individual units, and more to the point, are volunteers. Yuri's entire faction is composed of psychopaths, mind slaves, and genetically engineered freaks that can't be anything but loyal to him. He's the one who designed all of this, and is the one who is in charge, so there's no blaming anybody but him for the existence of this stuff. As far as I know, neither the allies, nor the Soviets, nor the Imperial Japanese faction that shows up in Red Alert 3 manage to top him in future installments either.

I don't know if Yuri qualifies on the basis of his actions in the regular storyline (Stalin might be worse, and Kane's various lieutenants are near as bad). I do, however, think that if we factor in how he's designed his faction (and I don't see a reason not to do that) that he can easily qualify. This isn't like in most RTS games where the evil faction just happens to have evil units and there's no one to blame for it. We know for a fact that Yuri specifically recruited these guys, and built his faction around mind control, slavery, twisted genetics and cloning experiments, and mindless loyalty to himself. With that in mind, I think he's a keeper.

What say we all?

@HT

Stalin's really bad in the original Red Alert. See above in this post for how bad.

edited 10th Nov '13 6:54:10 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#18885: Nov 10th 2013 at 6:46:38 PM

Jeez. Yuri certainly feels like a nasty piece of work. I vote [tup].

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18887: Nov 10th 2013 at 6:57:28 PM

Don't forget that you cannot play as Yuri's faction in campaign mode, so he personally overlooked the creation of those weapons and used them himself.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#18888: Nov 10th 2013 at 6:58:46 PM

[up]We're not forgetting that at all. My post emphasises that point several times.

edited 10th Nov '13 6:59:08 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18889: Nov 10th 2013 at 7:36:16 PM

So many fanfic examples that don't count.

A whole new world

  • Complete Monster: Clu was one from the get-go, but he truly seals the deal when he decapitates Sam in the real world and sends his beheaded body back to The Grid for his father to see.

A World of Laughter, a World of Tears

  • Complete Monster: Rockwell. Although his time of relevance is pretty short, Governor Smathers gets this for the sheer brutality of the methods he uses on the black community in Tampa.

Axe Cop

  • Complete Monster: Hasta Mia, who killed her own dog parents after deciding she could do whatever she wanted. Lobster Man, her brother, is out to stop her.

Azure Dreams

  • Complete Monster: Beldo. He adventured up to the Ultimate Egg with Guy with intentions to betray him and fuse with the monster to become the ultimate being. When Guy refuses to give in easily and seals the Egg, slicing off Beldo's arm in the process, he takes advantage of Kewne and makes him become his own arm. He then forces Kewne to lead Koh up to wear he is, only to use Koh's blood to unseal the egg. He then intends to kill off Koh for good. Thankfully, Kewne stops him before he can do the final blow.

Bee Shrek Test In The House

  • Complete Monster: Little King John, who is known for betraying, torturing, mutilating, murdering, and transmuting people into centipedes. Painfully.

Beverly Hills Cop

  • Complete Monster: Ellis De Wald in part III is the most despicable villain in the Beverly Hills trilogy. While the villains of the previous films were simply Magnicifent Bastards who still had standards, he has no empathy whatsoever.
    • His crime? He guns down a chop shop with some corrupt mechanics (who were not even dangerous) simply for not being useful no more (and also being witness).
    • De Wald finally kicks the dog by shooting the much beloved Uncle Dave (don't worry, he survives) and frames Axel for the crime.

Big Time Rush

  • Complete Monster: Atticus Moon from Big Time Movie. It's one thing that he has the beetle, a gravity defying device that is part of his plan to rule the world, but it gets worse when his plan to shift the moon out of orbit comes into play, which is explicitly said in universe would have caused a lot of destruction world wide. He also kidnaps Katie and forces Kendall to give up the beetle to free her. Needless to say, karma definitely gives him what he deserves when Katie gets the Beetle on his back and causes him to float up into the sky.

Born to Please

  • Complete Monster: Chet's father, Gregory, a surly drunk who brutally abuses his wife and children, both physically, mentally and sexually. He was even fired from his job at MI because he tried to sexully assault Chip's mother.

Brave New World

—> "We may even be a bit worse than what you have heard. We take pride in our evil. ...We're trying to release the Ruler of Evil and destroy the world, and we've made thousands of Pokémon suffer in the process. How can that possibly be justified?"
  • He comes across as a monster. But his Villainous Breakdown is making even Darkrai pity him. A little bit, not too much, but enough to realise that he isn't a two-dimensional villain with no redeeming features.
  • Bellum, a Froslass who finds great joy in not only freezing, killing and torturing her opponents with much enthusiasm, but also in torturing her youngest daughter entirely for the thrill of it, creating her in the image of Bellum's greatest enemy, Fantina.
    • Let's face it, she makes Ghetsis look like a loving father. At least the aforementioned "loving father" didn't create N for the sole purpose of abusing him.
  • Prof. Tarantulas, a cyborg Ariados who experiments on his patients, not only taking pleasure in harming them, but also occasionally killing some of them, driving them insane, or closing their hearts to become his unwilling servants. He's the Pokemon version of Josef Mengele.
  • Chobin, Prof. Tarantulas' assistant is arguably even worse. Not only is he arguably the most disgusting Pokemon in existence, he is completely and totally psychotic. He has in the past sexually violated, tortured, and eaten the patients Tarantulas is done with. It is revealed later on that he's being cloned and has been killed several times. There's a reason the International Police want him captured more than Tarantulas.
  • Paul. Yes, it's not that much of a stretch from the anime version of Paul, but he got worse, to the point where he betrayed and murdered his friends and family.
  • J, who is even worse than in the anime - especially since, as a Pokemon Hunter, she's technically a serial kidnapper in this world.
  • Now there's Gal, the Monkey King of Mount Blaze. When Team ACT is sent after him, he not only murders Allen, but he also brutally beats Charlie and rips his wings off. (Ironically, this is partly what leads to his downfall.)
  • The Hive Queen is responsible for brainwashing Misty into thinking she was a bug, making her part of a Hive Mind. She went through years of horrific living until rescued, and she is unable to cope with emotions as a result.
    • They also makes a habit of devouring their own minions.
  • Mewgle. Some things never change.
    • The Legendary Birds, so freaking much. It gets worse when it's revealed that The Birds became Shadows of their own free will. It's IMPOSSIBLE to purify them.
  • Ghetsis has been mentioned. God help us. Especially given the chance he'll be far worse.

Brutal Series

  • Complete Monster: Because each of the forty-eight tributes is the protagonist of his or her own sections, it's hard to find a character for whom it is impossible to feel sympathy. The only tributes who may qualify are Vivi, a sadistic Blood Knight who tortures her victims and constantly fantasizes about blood and guts, and Wiremu, who not only murders a helpless 12-year-old girl while "not sounding sorry at all," but also attempts to rape Finni, an act inexcusable even by the standards of the story.

Cambridge Latin Course

  • Complete Monster: Salvius. Within the first stage of the second book, he's killed four slaves - one for being sick, one for trying to avenge his father (that Salvius killed), and the two guards for "being in on the conspiracy". Then he got worse.

Canadian Bacon

  • Complete Monster: Hacker is willing to start a world-ending nuclear exchange between the US and Russia if the President doesn't pay for his prohibitively expensive fancy anti-missile system to abort the "Canadian" hacking of US missile silos...which he is actually responsible for.

Cannibal Holocaust

  • Complete Monster: Alan Yates, the film director, is considered one by his own actor.

Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future

  • Complete Monster: Blastarr. Not only does he terrorize the most beloved character in the series during the raid on the Power Base, but even before that he abuses his fellow Biodread, Soaron, just for kicks... while Soaron was in no condition to defend himself.

Cause of Death

  • Complete Monster: When the main theme is contending with Serial Killers, you're going to have these.
    • Genevieve Collins takes the lead as the Connoisseur. Putting herself Above Good and Evil, she believes the real sin is forcing incipient serial killers to deny their true nature (it doesn't exactly help that she doesn't believe in free will). She adulates Lilith as a proper mother, who loves her brood despite their darkness...or, in her case, because of their innate darkness. Then again, the times we see her "mothering" her Lilim...one part emotional abuse, one part fulsome love-bombing, one part rank manipulation...It makes you wonder if her definition of "love" maps at all with the rest of humanity's (non-sociopathic psychopaths included).
    • Herman Hartnell, the infamous Zero, sees all other people as cattle, fit only for him to brand so they'll be his eternal thralls in the afterlife. He even tried to do this to his adoptive daughter. Considering that said daughter was the future Genevieve Collins, this proved to be very ill-advised.
    • In season 10, there's Reese Gable. Even before the Nightmare case gets going, he used one of his own students—his lover, no less!—as the guinea pig in an experiment to create a Literal Split Personality. And in the case proper, he spreads the fear-inducing Nightmare drug in various places, then tries to activate a drug that induces murderous rage at Óscar's wedding. Reason? For Science!!! His Übermensch view of himself doesn't hurt.
    • Season 11 introduces us to Pablo Sálazar, Prime Minister of San Trobida. If you thought his daughter was bad, she seems to be just an understudy to him. Never mind his rule of fear and decimation (and worse; threatening to slaughter all the women and children in a village to get a rebel leader to talk, anyone?), he's impelled the entire country's populace to work his coca fields. You don't work at this or at least succor it, Cold-Blooded Torture is the least you can expect in the end. And he also uses child labor in his fields. Even if Carlito says they get a fair wage (and he doesn't look convinced of his own words), it obviously isn't enough to keep them properly fed.

Chalion

  • Complete Monster: Dondo, in The Curse of Chalion. Every other villain in the series has some at least a few sympathetic elements to their characters, or at least some tragic element in their backstory to make their actions understandable. But Dondo seems to actively glory in being as vile as possible. It really hits home when he bursts into Iselle's bedchamber to describe in detail his plans for raping her on their wedding night.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#18890: Nov 10th 2013 at 7:44:52 PM

Despoa, try to post these in manageable lots? This is a real overload to deal with and you'd already posted a bunch of these recently. We don't need to do everything right this second.

Cut the first two examples, leave notes to come here.

Cut axe Cop, I rewrote Beldo, cut Bee Shrek Test, maybe keep Dewald

Maybe keep the Big Time Rush example

xpand the Born to please example,

Cut Brave New World and the Brutal Series ones, say to come here

Expand Salvius from Cambridge

Expand Canadian Bacon's Hacker

Expand Blastarr

I guess keep the Cause Of death examples

Expand Chalion's Dondo

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18891: Nov 10th 2013 at 7:54:12 PM

More.

Chick Tracts

  • Complete Monster: The Governor in Here Comes The Judge, as well as the judge working for him. He has a man killed for having information on him, frames his wife for his murder, has the hitman killed, has a reporter and one other person killed with a bomb when she gets his judge to talk, then kills the judge in his hospital room.
    • Whether you are religious or not, you can agree that Jack does a pretty good job at depicting the God he worships as this. If not, it counts as Blue and Orange Morality.

Commando

  • Complete Monster: Arius and Bennett both qualify.
    • Arius was a ruthless dictator who ordered out many executions for petty reasons during his time as leader of Val Verde. After Matrix stopped him, and replaced him with a much better leader, Arius decided to get revenge on Matrix and retake his position. He had his men kill all of the living members of Matrix's old unit, and had his daughter Jenny kidnapped. Arius ordered Matrix to kill the current leader so he could retake his position or he would have Bennett kill Jenny. He says that letting Bennett slit her throat would be "like cutting butter". We also learn that he was going to kill Jenny anyway.
    • Bennett was a former member of Matrix's unit, who was kicked out because he "liked killing a little too much". After he was kicked out, he joined up with Arius to get revenge on Matrix. He had no problems with Arius killing his former comrades (the members of his old unit), and was willing to go along with his plan despite knowing full well just how bad a ruler Arius was,. how much better the new leader was, and that Arius was going to kill Jenny anyway. He holds a kinife to Jenny's throat durring Arius's "talk" with Matrix and agrees with the "cutting butter" part. When Arius dies, he tries to kill Jenny and Matrix himself

Cool World

  • Complete Monster: Holi, she is willing to warp the human with the Cool World resulting a chaotic hell and kill Frank who was just trying to get her back to Toon World just to become human

Crushed

  • Complete Monster: Marilyn; First, she dates Jack just to up her own status in school and when he breaks up with her, she responds by telling the whole school that he broke up with her because he had sex with her (which he didn't). She's treated like a victim and Jack's reputation is ruined, and when the dust settles, she has the audacity to reap the benefit of "having experience" by manipulating a bunch of boys into having sex with her. Second, when she overhears Toby confiding in Jack that he isn't ready for the school to know that he's gay yet, she promptly tells the WHOLE SCHOOL that he's gay, and then secretly videotapes Toby and Jack kissing behind the school AND SHOWS THE TAPE ON THE MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS. Toby's reputation is ruined in the process, until Ms. Rice gives him some words of encouragement, resulting in this one backfiring on her. Later, she decides to make up for these failures by harassing Toby every chance she can; writing rude and homophobic messages in his locker, sticking razorblades in his textbook, sticking threatening letters in his mailbox, etc., etc. just to spite him, and this persists until she transfers to another school. There is nothing even remotely likeable about her and the worst part is that she gets no punishment for these actions at all.
    • In Nora's story it's even worse; She harasses one of her own Girl Posse members to the point of suicidal depression, just because she became popular after appearing on the news. When the poor girl killed herself afterward Marilyn just shrugs it off and calls it melodrama! She really is a rotten human being.
    • Even Nigel hates this girl!
    • Terrance, Kevin's ex-boyfriend also qualifies. He brutally beats Kevin for various small reasons and abuses him physically, emotionally and sexually for kicks. Thank God Tyler saved Kevin before anything could go too far.

Cutthroat Island

  • Complete Monster: Dawg. Murdering his own brothers for their pieces of a treasure map is only the beginningnote . One particular example of something that seems extremely petty and cruel is when one of his crew protests they don't have enough food loaded to leave immediately.
—>Dawg: We need fewer mouths! (fatally shoots crewman)

Cupcakes

  • Complete Monster: With Pinkie Pie, it's debatable, as she is murderous but deluded and not intentionally sadistic, since she genuinely thinks this is fun for her victims. Apple Bloom, less so. On the one hoof, you could think that she may have been talked into the pony-cupcake making by Pinkie Pie, and that she wanted to get revenge on Silver Spoon. On the other hoof, some sequels depict how her special talent turns out to be being a professional murderer. For the point home, she is not deluded by insanity like Pinkie, and still enjoys every minute of it.

Webcomic//Dan And Mabs Furry Adventures

  • Complete Monster: Destania, as seen in Abel's backstory/side comic qualifies, what with earnestly proposing using babies as test subjects for lethal class demonstrations at the Succubus Academy, killing and raping who know's how many thousands. She's not above manipulating her own son into killing Dark Pegasus again; to be fair, it's something Dan would want to do anyway. Then there's her current plans to murder Abel and commit genocide against dragonkind. Most damning of all, she's willing to let her stepdaughter Alexsi die in the crossfire just because Alexsi is dating Pyroduck, the estranged son of the dragons' leader.
    • See also the rather terrifying doctor at SAIA...
—-> "My tea tastes like joy now. How horrid."
  • The last one is debatable, actually. He seems to have a rather nasty sense of humor and a lack of empathy, but so far his behavior has merely been callous rather than harmful.
  • He also appears in the Foxfire Chronicles, where he states outright that he's pure evil and the protagonist is really scared of him (and he was unconscious while Ink was working on him).
    • That might not necessarily be the same version of the character, though; it's not inconceivable that the Ink appearing in DMFA is just based on the original Ink (or that he was originally supposed to be the same character but took on a life of his own). Not like Amber hasn't done that before.
  • Doctor Ink is also the most evil thing Abel can imagine. The most evil thing Matilda can imagine is apparently a stack of pancakes (with syrup! Mwahaha!) so that may not be a reliable measure.
  • Consider that Abel is Aniz' son, and had to watch his father murder his family and friends, causing an incredible amount of emotional trauma...and Abel thinks of Dr. Ink as the most evil thing he's ever met.
  • Then again being dead may well disqualify Aniz.

Danger Time

  • Complete Monster: Arachne the Corpseweaver. There are a lot of candidates for this trope, admittedly - Charybdis is willing to vivisect every single remaining survivor, Minotaur was bad enough to drive Euterpe to curse him with constant pain, and Cruelty lives up to his name in increasingly terrifying ways, but Arachne, well...
—> Hades: She killed a girl. Took her body. And raped me with it.

Daring Do

  • Complete Monster: Ahuizotl, both literally and figuratively: he's perfectly willing to kill both innocent bystanders and accomplices if it furthers his plans and he's a Hayan demon.
    • Mareton in Alicorn's Shadow. To put this into perspective: The remnants of Nightmare Moon's power corrupts anyone who isn't "pure of heart or intention". It doesn't do anything to him. Quite the contrary, he considers it a "warm breeze". This seems to imply that he may be pure evil...maybe. Let's also include his down right Mind Rape of Derring.
    • Mrs. Hoovett. Holy clopping horseapples, Mrs. Hoovett. Sweeney Trot's backstory might lead somepony to snap, but Mrs. Hoovett has no such excuse.
    • In the Expanded Universe, Krastos. SWEET CELESTIA, KRASTOS.
    • Most of the major antagonists in the Blood Diamond series; from Blood Knight General Talonus to Combat Sadomasochist Wou-Ban to Omnicidal Maniac Black Hole.
    • Starlet in Ruby of the Blank Village. Greyhoof and most of the village are stated to have done what they did based on the village's past experiences with Cutie Pox. But Starlet combines this with an outright horrifying degree of prejudce towards Unicorns and Pegasi, and after she plays her part in sacrificing Ruby, she quickly gets a Cutie Mark of a flint knife, covered in blood. Interpret that how you will.
      • Though by Tinker's Seal, the town appears to have embraced her philosophy of "No Freaks".
    • Krähe. Full. Stop. He kidnaps griffon children, subjects them to horrible experiments in order to turn them into super-powered bio-weapons, all so he can use them to take down Celestia and instigate anarchy.
    • While it's easy to sympathize with the other members of the Greifvogel, considering they're all victims of Krähe's experiments, it doesn't really excuse some of the things they do. For example; Spottdrossel. He willingly goes against orders to finish off targets quickly and efficiently, instead choosing to slowly take them down shot-by-shot, simply because he enjoys watching them writhe.

I'm done.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#18892: Nov 10th 2013 at 7:57:52 PM

Seriously?

Seriously? I asked quite nicely not to post any more because of the overload. I appreciate your interest, but posting like 20-30 examples in one day is far, far too much. How on earth do you expect us to get to all of them here?

edited 10th Nov '13 7:59:47 PM by Lightysnake

despoa Since: Aug, 2012
#18893: Nov 10th 2013 at 7:58:20 PM

Sorry. Didn't see that. I was in the process.

I can't expand the examples because I just copypasted stuff from the "Related to..." page.

I think I'll make that todo list.

edited 10th Nov '13 8:02:32 PM by despoa

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#18894: Nov 10th 2013 at 8:02:28 PM

Alright. Just go and cut every ZCE from there and Pm the ones who added them, or leave a note to come here. Cannibal Holocaust I can expand. Commando looks okay. I'll look into Cool World and expand the Cutthroat Island example.

Lopiny Since: May, 2011
#18895: Nov 10th 2013 at 8:36:59 PM

Does this kinda thing seriously apply to nonexistent works?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#18896: Nov 10th 2013 at 8:47:20 PM

Commando: Bennett maybe; Arius seems Offscreen Villainy. And Chick Tracts are so...out there...I don't know if any monsters can be in those.
I'll be requesting the lock to Ace Attorney now, since I heard no OBJECTION! tongue

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#18897: Nov 10th 2013 at 8:50:26 PM

hold on, need to replace Kristoph's entry

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#18898: Nov 10th 2013 at 8:53:06 PM

[up]With your writeup? Already took care of that smile Here's how it reads:

Kristoph Gavin spends much of the game as a supposedly helpful mentor. He is also the man responsible for ushering in “The Dark Age Of The Law” by getting Phoenix Wright disbarred. Kristoph had initially planned on framing an innocent woman for a crime committed by one of his former students, Zak. When Zak hired Phoenix instead of him due to a poker game, a furious Kristoph decided to get revenge. He had gotten a shy artist named Vera to unknowingly create fake evidence to deal with Phoenix. When Zak resurfaced under a new identity years later, Kristoph took the chance to murder him and frame Phoenix. After this, it was revealed Kristoph had poisoned Vera and her father Drew, intending both to die. Vera survived, barely. To pour salt on the wound, Kristoph gloated how Apollo and Phoenix had triggered his plan, causing Vera to bite her nails- when he had planted the poison as nail polish, knowing her nervous habit. He had even started poisoning her when she was only twelve. After her survival, Kristoph simply enjoyed seeing Vera face conviction for her own father's murder. In the end, he was little but a cruel, petty, selfish man obsess with glory and destroying those who stood in his way.

edited 10th Nov '13 8:55:42 PM by ACW

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#18899: Nov 10th 2013 at 10:33:46 PM

So, a while ago I did rewrites for Szayel Aporro Granz and Shreiker from Bleach. These write-ups were never swapped in and I can't track them down. Here's an attempt at reproducing them.

  • Most Hollows are predatory animals or tormented souls. Neither description applies to Shrieker. A Serial Killer in life, who died while murdering a woman, Shrieker came back as a Hollow and trapped Yuji's (the woman's child) soul in the body of a parakeet. Telling the parakeet that if it can evade him (Shreiker) for a certain amount of time, Shrieker turns Yuji loose, only to track down and kill every person he turns to for help. A sadistic fighter who cuts his opponents to shreds, Shrieker tries to kill Chad and Ichigo just to spite Yuji, making him as petty and as cruel as even a Hollow can get.

  • Szayel Apporro Granz, 8th Espada and younger brother of Ilfort Granz. A vicious Mad Scientist with a penchant for mind games and torture, Szayel betrayed 3rd Espada Nel Tu to Nnoitra Jiruga, helping the other Espada dispose of her in order to make room for his own move up the ranks. He subsequently uses his older brother, Ilfort Granz, as a receptacle for spy cameras, and sees his death, not as a time to mourn, but as a chance to benefit himself; having monitored Ilfort's opponent, Renji Abarai during their battle, Szayel confronts Renji and Uryu Ishida, neutralises their powers, and engages them in one of the most brutal and one-sided fights in the series. Crafting voodoo dolls out of his adversaries, Szayel takes out their major organs one at a time, destroying them from the inside out. When they actually land a lucky hit on him, he cannibalises one of his henchmen in order to regain his strength. Finally confronted and outmatched by Mayuri Kurotsuchi, Szayel possesses Kurotsuchi's daughter, Nemu, and drains her life force in order to be reborn. A sickening freak who sees himself as the ultimate life form, Szayel is a monstrosity even when compared to his fellow Espada.

How are those? I know they're better than what's currently on the page, but are they actually good? I know that my original rewrite for Shrieker was better than this one. If anybody can pinpoint it, let me know.

edited 10th Nov '13 10:36:40 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#18900: Nov 11th 2013 at 12:16:21 AM

If noone objects, I'll cut Sharktooth, Dreadpool/Deadpool, and Jim in a day or so.

Re: Cool World: Hard to say on Holli Would. She's a murderous Vamp, but I don't recall if she even knew that taking that MacGuffin could destroy the worlds, and I'm not sure about how to take her Pinocchio Syndrome — a toon trying to become human to be able to actually feel something could be considered a sympathetic motive.

@ Ambar: I think Yuri's actions in the storyline are pretty nasty by themself, since they almost always involve attacking or annihilating civilian centers rather than military targets, but the way he runs his faction is clearly unmatched by any others.

@ despoa: Could you elaborate on your reasons for cutting or keeping the Red Alert 3 examples?


I had completed two preliminary write-ups for both Stalin and Yuri. Feel free to add to it or write a better one.

  • Command & Conquer: Red Alert Series:
    • Joseph Stalin in the original Command & Conquer: Red Alert is portrayed as every bit the ruthless, paranoid dictator that he was in real life, but excludes any redeeming qualities he had and makes him even nastier in some regards. He builds up the Soviet military machine and invades the rest of Europe to establish his totalitarian rule over the entire continent. He orders his security officers to test Sarin gas on a town of innocent civilians and the player to kill the survivors and raze the village, personally kills his lieutenants for any failure and orders purges of his entire military staff on a whim, and largely destroys the countries he invades as he did with Greece. When the tide of war turns against him, he uses his troops as sacrifical lambs to delay the Allied advance long enough so he can destroy the major European cities with his newly-developed nuclear missiles and force a victory.
    • Yuri from Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 is a powerful psychic and aspiring overlord initially serving the Soviet Union, but soon reveals his ulterior motives. In the Soviet campaign he supports the invasion of the United States and later the rest of the world, building devices to turn the conquered peoples into mind-controlled drones. He assassinates Premier Romanov and frames General Vladimir to usurp the Soviet leadership, before attempting to kill the player because his continued succes has made him a potential threat to Yuri's position. Yuri's Revenge reveals that he was just using the Soviets to establish a network of mind control devices to enslave the planet, so there will be no will but his own. His subsequent plots include harvesting the entire population of Los Angeles for raw materials, holding a software company ransom and nuking Seattle until they give in, secretly assassinating world leaders and replacing them with clones, and planning to level all coastal cities in the world. Throw in the fact that his army uses slaves to mine their ore, genetically alters soldiers and civilians alike into obedient, mutated freaks, grinds up civilians, captured enemies, and his own units for spare parts or drains them for bioelectricity, and is built around mind controlling his adversaries, and it becomes clear that we are dealing with a very, very bad man.

And here's one for Rippner.

  • Jackson Rippner from Red Eye is an unscrupulous contractor hiring himself out to terrorist networks to assist in toppling governments and high-profile assassinations. He uses his skills of manipulation instead of weapons because he's much better at it. His latest target is a renowned US official, whom he plans to blow up along with his wife and children because his bosses wanted to send a message. He needs Lisa, a Miami hotel manager, to change the official's room on her authority to make the kills possible. He stalks Lisa for weeks to learn everything about her, then arranges to be on the same red eye flight with her and gain her confidence initially. He threatens to have his associate kill her retired father if she doesn't make the call, torturing her mentally and assaulting her. When she foils his plan, he goes to kill her father anyway instead of escape to make good on his threat, and tries to murder Lisa. On top of that, he's also a misogynist, and casually notes he killed his own parents when asked about the subject.

edited 16th Nov '13 12:55:51 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

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