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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#188552: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:00:29 AM

I think the "she" refers to Aleviel.

Lemme try this: "before instantly reneging on that once Aleviel was cast down and vowing out of spite to annihilate the world Aleviel desired to protect."

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#188553: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:01:46 AM

@MasterN: Yeah, Nyarlathotep can switch genders. He just prefers male pronouns.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#188554: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:02:37 AM

[tup] Quentin.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#188555: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:04:41 AM

Oh, so kinda like Nya/Naia (except she seemed to prefer female pronouns, or at least, her CM entry was written with female pronouns- not sure why).

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#188556: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:09:07 AM

Ah, found the other part. Probably pronoun trouble there. Let's go with:

"Desiring to break her spirit as well, Nyarlathotep takes Eliza to the graveyard of her fallen students while blaming her for their deaths; drives Eliza's mansion's servants to the brink of insanity; and paints Hardestadt as a monster who can't be controlled, before sending Vicente out to kill Eliza."

Lighty/Scraggle: Those two tweaks work for you?

Also, for Honkai, I'm cutting the Video Game entry completely; hopefully someone from that thread will be able to help with the manga entry.

Edited by ACW on Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:11:15 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#188557: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:22:09 AM

By the way, for anyone interested, X-Men animated series from 1992 has an official continuation comic series called X-Men '92. Several keepers from the series appeared there, if anyone desires he can check if anything new come up or another candidate appears.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Oct 23rd 2019 at 6:22:21 PM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Keshali Since: Jul, 2019
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#188560: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:36:53 AM

[tup] Azazel. [tup] Martha. [tup] Keita. [tup] Munkar. [tup] Quentin.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#188561: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:41:01 AM

@N: Yeah, Nyarlathotep switches genders and forms often. He just prefers male pronouns as he's usually male, and for simplicity sake. (In Demonbane, Nyarlathotep most often appears as 'Nya', so again, just for simplicity)

If you or anyone has questions over mine and Scrags' stuff, PM's are always open to answer. Still recused, but I have no issues with people cutting the Pijavica.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:41:33 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#188562: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:50:59 AM

Funny, but I'm on the opposite side of Tyk. I think Hargrove financing his son's Snuff Film ring is enough. Pijavica...eh, I could see either way.

Lighty, those tweaks work for you? I know it's your character, but I wanna make sure I have everything correct. I think the issue was pronoun trouble.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
AlmightyKingPrawn I can chase the wind, I can race the rain from Down at Fraggle Rock *clap clap* Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
#188564: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:54:41 AM

[tup] Azazel, Martha, Keida, Munkar, Quentin

She/her. Profile pic is by Richard Michael Gomez @StarmansArt. Please watch Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. https://youtu.be/Vm92JNgPbqk
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#188565: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:00:44 AM

I could go either way on Pijavica. Which ironically is the first story from the series I read. I also don't have any strong feelings on Hargrove either though I lean cut on him.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 23rd 2019 at 1:10:11 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#188566: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:12:11 AM

[tup] Azazel, Martha, Keida, Munkar, and Quentin.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#188567: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:12:49 AM

[tup]Quentin.

Why so serious?
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#188568: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:30:17 AM

[tup] To Quentin, for the sake of my own (dubious) sanity I'm going to assume those anti-hero things are the result of someone meaning to say Villain Protagonist

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#188569: Oct 23rd 2019 at 10:58:37 AM

Errr... Going to agree with Tyk there.

Raping her own son for years sounds unique. Going to say keep Pijavica. That and her low resources still makes her stand out enough.

As for Hargrove, I'll say cut. Yeah, financing the whole Snuff Film stuff made him jump way over the MEH... But his son set it up to begin with. That and they seem more or less equal in terms of resources. Not even the Serial Rapist stuff saves him, knowing what his son and Y'golonac did.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Oct 23rd 2019 at 7:59:55 PM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#188570: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:07:59 AM

Well, to be fair, Y'gy's a freaking Eldritch Abomination.

Also, from Hargrove's EP: "Supplying Jacobs with not only an isolated location and the manpower to back it up, but also regularly buying up trafficked and enslaved women then sending them Jacobs' way, Hargrove informs Jacobs in just one email that we see that he has procured well over 50 women for their latest batch of films. Eeep."

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#188571: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:22:48 AM

Keep Hargrove

Things are really about to get Fun around here
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#188572: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:31:43 AM

[tup] Keep em both.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#188573: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:32:39 AM

I'd like to make one comment on the Pijavica, though not sure if I'm quite allowed to

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#188574: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:36:50 AM

I'm fine with it, if it's a clarification.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#188575: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:48:15 AM

[up][up] I fine with it. As long as it's for clarification.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

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