During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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to Gaga
Sammael and Laddy Gags
I thought sharks were my friends.
Sure to Gaga, the one who four people have made the exact same joke about.
RIP KissAnime.
To be fair, I'm fairly certain the pun is deliberate, given how often Power Rangers and Sentai uses name puns.
Edited by Godzillawolf on Oct 20th 2019 at 2:47:19 AM
Self-Declared King of Everything
Lord Gaga.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Sure to McCoy and Lord Running Gag.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Oct 20th 2019 at 11:57:56 AM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Lord Gaga (anyone else put in mind of that The Key of Awesome video?)
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Lord Gaga.
Added to the batch:
- Wonder Woman: Bloodlines: Medusa, upon being freed, murders Dr. Cyber and then kills Dr. Poison before using Poison's serum to strengthen herself. Going on a killing spree, Medusa petrifies and slaughters Amazons, proclaiming her intent to exterminate all of Themyscira, threatening to torture Hippolyta to death before trying to kill Diana in front of her people.
- Slaughterhouse Rock (1988): Commandant Mordecai Lansing was a soldier during The American Civil War, as well as an occultist who became a demon by eating and torturing innocents. Inviting people, especially women, over, Lansing would murder and devour them, eventually running a line of prostitutes into his home to make them vanish. Eventually preying on Natives, Lansing killed so many they banded together to imprison him in the Earth. Later haunting Alcatraz, Lansing kills anyone he can there, keeping their souls in thrall to hold them there and strengthen himself. Upon the arrival of Alex and friends, Lansing possesses Alex's brother, raping one member of the group and attempting to slaughter the others.
- The Replacement: The Lady is a narcissistic Fay clinging to the last vestiges of power and authority. With her pact with the town of Gentry, she reigns over them, and has them sacrifice children once every seven years that she keeps as a pet, torments and eventually kills and devours, with a girl named Natalie the next of her victims. Setting fire to a church which causes a fatality upon being challenged, the Lady also tries to kill Mackie Doyle and others by handing them over to her Torture Technician, the Cutter, to gruesomely murder.
Edited by ACW on Oct 20th 2019 at 6:17:51 AM
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His name is Mordecai Lansing. It's stated in the flashback. Put it back in, please?
I think Lord Gaga's name is meant to be a bit silly, given Affectionate Parody of Toku, which often has it's very punny, very silly naming conventions.
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
And that's all I needed. Done 
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Gaga.
Out of curiosity, fellow forum goers, who would you say are your favorite and least favorite Complete Monsters? Who are the CMs you feel are the best written, and the ones who are the worst written?
I will start.
Some of my Favorites: Any CM version of The Joker, Emperor Palpatine, Kefka, Dimentio from Super Paper Mario, Monokuma/Junko Enoshima, DIO Brando, Sister Jill and Panther Zora, Aizen and Yhwach, Iris Sepperin from RosenkreuzStilette, Ragyo Kiryuin, Light Yagami, Big, Neos, Chaos, and Cross Gold, David and Arba, Lotso from Toy Story 3, Princess Hayes and the King of Vices, Mark Jefferson from Life Is Strange, Medea from The Rising Of The Shield Hero, Hans Gruber, Cinder Fall (and the version of Salem in the two fanfics she got up in), Terumi, Relius, and Izanami, Shodan, Frank Fontaine, Medusa and Shaula Gorgon... the list goes on.
Some Least Favorites: Kamiya, Ganossa, Alexis Kerib, all five Pretty Cure CMs, Julio and Embryo, Rudolf Hagen, Colonel Hopkins, Shiro Hitsujikai, The Emperor of Kutou, Sanmoto, Baldren... all I can think of for now, all for the same reason- generic and boring.
Edited by MasterN on Oct 20th 2019 at 4:52:21 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
I thought sharks were my friends.
I wouldn't go there. Several of us got thumped for having this exact discussion last month.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Oct 20th 2019 at 3:47:48 AM
RIP KissAnime.
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
McCoy and Gaga. Switching to ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
on the bear.
Favorite CMs include Taurus Bulba, General Lunaris, Bill Cipher, Dolores Umbridge, Lotso, King Boo, and Harold Saxon. Least favorite is the guy from Red Zone Cuba.
Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Oct 20th 2019 at 6:51:10 AM
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Self-Declared King of Everything
Best: Emperor Palpatine, Dio Brando, Dark Danny, Van Kleiss, Fire Lord Ozai, Mc Leach, Scar, Judge Frollo, Syndrome, Dr. Facilier, Taurus Bulba, Thailog, Bill Cipher, Ego, Katz, Lotso Huggin' Bear, Davros, Light Yagami, Finch, some versions of the Joker, there are some others.
Worst: The majority of villains who want to destroy the world just because they can.
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One of my favorites is Ego. I also like some of the 2000 AD ones for how gleefully over the top they are.
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Hey guys, has Gerolum from Hot Wheels Accele Racers been discussed, I am considering on taking a look at her because I think I remember her being pretty evil when I watched the show during my childhood.
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Search for the name of your candidate and “complete monster” or “cleanup thread ” in the TV Tropes search bar. If they appear, that means they were discussed.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Just looked up, and from the looks of it, she hasn’t been discussed yet. Should I go ahead and put Gelorum on my to do list?
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Go ahead.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
For the Attack on Titan write up, is it worth mentioning that King Fritz was essentially the mythical Devil of All Earth? Maybe something like this:
The first king of Eldia and the Devil of All Earth, King Fritz,
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
@Master N Very well then.
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Maybe? Lighty, what say you?
to Mccoy and Lord Lady Gaga
