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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#188051: Oct 19th 2019 at 9:43:07 PM

[tup] Jose Porla

[tup] The Lady

[tup] Medusa

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 19th 2019 at 11:45:24 AM

Watch me destroying my country
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#188053: Oct 19th 2019 at 9:52:55 PM

Now, then...

What's the work?

Slaughterhouse Rock is a 1988 B-horror film that's pretty by the numbers. Alex Gardner is a teen who is plagued by nightmares on Alcatraz from a horrible monster...when his nightmares get worse, his teacher tells him to go there and face his fears, so away he goes with his friends and brother. Mistake...the place is haunted....by Commandant Mordecai Lansing.

Who is Mordecai Lansing?

A Civil War commandant who turned to the occult, Lansing learned he could gain power from the flesh of others, and began turning to cannibalism and torture. He began to murder a ton of people, as seen in flashback, inviting women over to torture them and cannibalize them, making himself into a demonic being....he began to simply run a prostitution business to bring women in right to the dinner table. People began to suspect something was up with all the disappearances, so he took to the local native tribe...and ate so many fo them, they caught on. They trapped Lansing and bound his evil soul to the earth, where Alcatraz was eventually built.

Lansing lurked there, luring in victims and killing and consuming them as a dark spirit, enslaving their souls and killing people horribly..when Alex arrives? Lansing possesses his brother, raping and killing one of the girls, while haunting them and murdering them one by one in brutal ways. Alex learns of what's happening from the ghosts while Lansing tries to murder him, seeking to use them to escape the Rock and resume a killing and torture spree. Thankfully, Alex is able to lure Lansing, with the Final Girl into the local church...and activates a holy ritual, which burns Lansing and obliterates his evil soul, freeing the spirits he's trapped.

Any qualities?

Lansing is...shockingly bad for such a simple film. Minus the slasher stuff and rape? We see the flashback and Lansing has tortured and eaten hundreds of innocents. He's got a personality, gloating and a macabre sense of humor...no, nothing really here.

Conclusion?

A very easy keep for such a basic film

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#188055: Oct 19th 2019 at 9:59:48 PM

[tup] Lansing.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#188057: Oct 19th 2019 at 10:01:48 PM

Sure to Mordecai

RIP KissAnime.
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#188061: Oct 19th 2019 at 10:46:50 PM

[tup]Lansing.

Why so serious?
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#188062: Oct 19th 2019 at 10:52:27 PM

[tup]Lady , Mordecaui and Medusa.

[tdown] Brain and raider

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#188063: Oct 19th 2019 at 11:04:21 PM

Rewrites:

[down] Edited to remove what could be mistaken as belligerence. Perhaps I am placing too much stress where there does not need to be. I am not trying to be belligerent, however.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 19th 2019 at 2:43:36 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#188064: Oct 19th 2019 at 11:12:12 PM

Dont' like those compared to the original. They're just sterile.

[up] Okay. Drop the attitude right now, Sky. I'm tired of it from you in this thread. They didn't need to be rewritten. You are making an issue where one does not exist.

This is not a 'quick fix,' we're not replacing the entries because you randomly decide they're not good enough when they're fine right now.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 19th 2019 at 11:36:28 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#188065: Oct 19th 2019 at 11:16:00 PM

Considering that whole Aztec civilization portrayed as cannibalistic and murderous fanatics, who hunt down and wipe out entire tribes, does Middle-Eye really stand out among them with only 3 victims and a single rape?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Oct 19th 2019 at 9:17:48 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#188066: Oct 19th 2019 at 11:35:04 PM

Yes. We're not going to keep doing this "does he REALLY stand out" when he's been voted up years ago.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188068: Oct 19th 2019 at 11:38:21 PM

We verified these villains with full effortposts. No sudden questions. Frankly, I think the original entries are fine.

Sky, we've told you this again and again. Knock it off with the confrontational attitude.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#188070: Oct 20th 2019 at 12:16:04 AM

[tup] Commandant Mordecai Lansing

Watch me destroying my country
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#188072: Oct 20th 2019 at 2:10:26 AM

[tup] Medusa and the Lady. Lansing too.

Fun facts about Medusa's 5th incarnation: Voiced by Cree Summer. Yes, [[Inspector Gadget THAT]]Cree Summer. And she's voiced Medusa before. And we've got another family: Her father Don Francks voiced both Sabretooth and Mok Swagger.

Nathanoraptor Since: Oct, 2010
#188073: Oct 20th 2019 at 2:27:26 AM

@Kylotrope: I'm not saying that Builder is definitely Obliviously Evil; that's just how I interpreted the SCP. My point was that, whilst in the skip itself, it's suggested the "adorable living toy" shtick was an act, in practice, it's vague enough to be taken either way. There's no explicit hint of agency because he can't speak and we're not given enough insight into his thought processes.

The point is that the evidence for Builder having moral agency at all is very vague and open for interpretation. Indeed, the very fact that we're debating if he understands what he's doing, shows that the skip was vague on this manner. Also, we don't have an "Assume Agency" rule; if it's not clear he understands the morality of his actions, we shouldn't assume that he does.

Edited by Nathanoraptor on Oct 20th 2019 at 9:37:26 AM

Keshali Since: Jul, 2019
#188074: Oct 20th 2019 at 2:58:08 AM

The second season/reboot of Legend Quest hasn't been discussed, so might as well since its past the date.

[MOD EDIT: Reserved by another user. Please ask first next time.]

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 20th 2019 at 10:30:06 AM

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#188075: Oct 20th 2019 at 2:59:29 AM

@ Nathanoraptor

Problem is, we don't get to see if there's a true moral agency issue. As far as we can see, Builder is perfectly capable of acting sweet around the personnel if necessary, while also committing his heinous acts. We can't base ourselves on Alternative Character Interpretation, but what we actually see. And from what we actually see, there's no evidence that Builder has any moral agency issues.

Abstain on Coyolxauhqui : not sure if she's sufficiently heinous or even meets the baseline.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Oct 20th 2019 at 12:26:17 PM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)

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