During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
My final Dark Romance candidate:
Who are they and what do they do?
Augustina from the bonus chapter of the latest release, DR 11: The Ethereal Gardens, a Sleeping Beauty adaptation (though it's honestly more of a Maleficent adaptation, and even then a very loose one at that). Augustina is the sister of the main villain of the main story, Queen Henrietta.
In this adaptation, the Maleficent character is Queen Celeste, the benevolent queen of her fairytale creature kingdom. The male lead's mother, Queen Henrietta, is an evil queen who, following the death of her husband (who she does not love), manipulates her son Prince Liam into attacking Queen Celeste and cutting off her wings, lying that she will use the wings to revive his father Upon getting the wings, Liam is betrayed by his mother, who orders him imprisoned to face execution while she uses the wings to revive her evil brother so together they can destroy the kingdoms and rule over whatever is left. Working together, Prince Liam and Queen Celeste manage to defeat and kill Henrietta. The two than fall in love and marry, uniting their kingdoms and ending the conflict.
The bonus chapter picks up after a time skip many years into the future. Celeste and Liam have two daughters. One of them is about to be corrinated on her 16th birthday, when everyone but the two sisters are frozen.
It turns out that Henrietta had a sister skilled in ice magic named Augustine. The two were always fighting each other to try and conquer the kingdoms for themselves in a battle of Evil Versus Evil, until eventually, Henrietta trapped Augustina in a magic mirror. Henrietta's death broke the seal, and Augustina was freed. Rather than be thankful to her nephew and niece in law from killing her jailer and freeing her, she decides that she will invoke Sins of Our Fathers and make her nephew pay for what his mother did to her.
After all these years, Augustina as decided to make good on her promise. She freezes everyone in the kingdom but the two sisters, kidnapping the younger, Bethany, on the day she is to become a princess, planning to brainwash her and give her ice powers as well so they can freeze the neighboring kingdoms as well, eventually planning to move on to freezing the entire world. The elder only manages to escape the curse because of a magic talisman her sister had given her.
The elder sister (whose name is never revealed) goes off to stop her evil great aunt, rescue her sister, and save the kingdom. When the elder sister reaches Augustina's domain, it is revealed she has already mind controlled Bethany with her magic, and she orders Bethany to kill her own sister while she goes to prepare for their mass freezing of the nearby kingdoms.
The elder sister manages to free Bethany from their evil great aunt's magic, and the two work together to stop her. Enraged at the results and having her plan for an ice world free of human life ruined, Augustina decides to just kill her two grandnieces. While Bethany holds Augustina off with her magic, the elder sister retrieves the magic mirror, and they seal her back inside it once again, hopefully permanently this time
With Augustina defeated, the kingdom is unfrozen, and the two sisters return home where Bethany is finally declared a princess.
Heinousness?
She wanted to eventually freeze the entire planet, considering an "icy world devoid of human flaws" a perfect world. She kidnaps and brainwashes her own youngest grandniece and orders her to kill her elder sister, before eventually deciding to kill both her grandnieces after they cause her enough trouble. Truthfully, everyone is fine after she is defeated and they are unfrozen, which implies Harmless Freezing. However, if she had not been stopped, everyone on Earth would have remained frozen for all eternity. If you have been turned into a frozen statue for all eternity, you are pretty much dead anyway. She states that she is surprised the elder sister "survived" the ice curse, indicating she herself would consider permanently freezing the people of the world to be killing them as well. The only reason they are okay after she is defeated is because her magic is undone with her defeat.
She is much worse than her sister, Queen Henrietta. As bad as she was, she didn't try to freeze the whole world or brainwash someone into killing a member of their own family.
Redeeming features?
Unlike her sister (who loves her brother), she has no good traits at all.
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Sure to Augustina.
Rip and Augustina.
Added to the batch:
- Machine Head's "Night of Long Knives
": Charles Manson is a vengeful man "burning with malice past the point of no return". Founder of the Family, Manson describes his vision of an apocalyptic war to his followers, convincing them to kickstart it with a series of murders. He personally oversaw the deaths of 5 people, one in particular being Sharon Tate and her unborn child. It is with these deaths that the innocence of the 1960s ended.
ACW, why is there a single "t" after (SS) on Zol's entry
What is the work? Kamen Rider Kiva: King of the Castle in the Demon World is a non-canon movie adaptation of the original Kamen Rider Kiva. The shy but gifted young violinist and Fangire hunter Wataru Kurenai (who also happens to be half-Fangire himself and the third incarnation of Kamen Rider Kiva) is now in high-school, struggling to interact with the other students; meanwhile, the Wonderful Blue Sky Organization is having to deal with the return of the ancient Legendorgas, and their leader is...
Who is he? Countless years ago, Arc was the fearsome lord of the Legendorga, a megalomaniacal being who was responsible for spreading destruction towards the other races in his crusade to rule over everything until he was defeated and sealed within a coffin by the first Kiva. In modern times, the Kantou West Prison was constructed above the coffin and one of their deathrow inmates, Takashi Sugimura, found it by accident and Arc's spirit entered his body, slowly corrupting his soul; for 22 years, Arc prevented Sugimura from aging or getting executed to save his host. In 2008, Arc helped Sugimura in breaking out of prison by releasing an energy blast that killed every penitentiary officer around him; his escape resulted in the resurrection of Arc's loyal subordinates; his right-hand man, the slaver Mummy Legendorga, feeds on a group of humans and enslaves a Fangire to work for him. After Sugimura is captured by the Legendorga, Arc's spirit places him in a catatonic state until he's finally revived within Sugimura, effectively destroying his personality as a whole. Now having the chance to resume his role as the lord of the Legendorgas, the spiteful Arc not only begins a plan to make humanity go extinct, but also targets Wataru to get his revenge on Kiva, even if he's not the one who sealed him; since Arc is capable of "baptizing" people into more of his kind, Arc recruits the power-hungry Takato Shiramine by having him willingly baptized to help the Legendorga in destroying humanity.
Arc's first step in his operation to destroy humanity is to deliberately begin a Zombie Apocalypse by using the Mummy Legenda's power to turn the moon itself into a corruptive tool to enslave humans en masse, Arc converts a legion of people into rotting, mindless zombies to wreak havoc everywhere in his cause; one of his victims is a high school teacher who attacked his own students in the middle of class, but the creepiest part? The screams of humans is the Legendorga's favorite "music", and Arc magically reproduces them with his own instruments to enjoy the suffering of his victims. When Wataru finally reaches Arc in his castle, Arc decides not to kill him, but forcibly baptizes Wataru into a winged half-Fangire half-Legendorga creature to make him his own "pet" as a more sadistic way to end Kiva's line, ordering Wataru to murder his own father, Otoya; Wataru badly injures his father, but Otoya manages to deconvert him, much to Arc's surprise. Using a mechanical Kivat to assume a Kamen Rider form, Arc draws the moon closer to the earth to give him the last bit of the Legendorga's power, which results in violent waterspouts forming in the sea; Wataru and Arc battle each other, causing even more destruction around the city until Wataru delivers a Rider-Kick so powerful that it sends Arc to the moon, reverting it back to normal.
Mitigating Factors? As the Fangire King/Dark Kiva's replacement for The Movie, Arc is just as bad as him.
Heinous? Even without taking it into account that this is a Non-Serial Movie, Arc's methods are far more destructive than those used by the Second Kiva; he did commit genocide against at least three other races, much like Arc himself who also showed genocidal hostility towards the other races before the King was even the Second Kiva, but the King ultimately respected The Masquerade and allowed the Fangire to secretely infiltrate human society instead of revealing his race from the start and sending them to annihilate humanity.
Conclusion?
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 30th 2019 at 6:40:59 AM
Sure to Arcadia (For the next poster, please don't refer Cr0w's candidate with my joke name. Did it cuz your candidate name reminds me of a Discord user who become a moderator of my server. Dw, he's a cool dude. :3)
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Arc
New proposal, from Demon Hunter (2016).
Who's the candidate?
Escharin Falstaff, a centuries-old Evil Sorceror.
What does he do?
Falstaff finds people who have been victimized and offers them the power to seek revenge. However, this comes at yhe cost of their souls and free will. And he's been at this for centuries. When Taryn Barker cones to him after her sister is raped and murdered, he does the same to her, but she is rescued by a group who oppose him. Taryn starts using her powers against Falstaff's group, but every time she does a small piece of her falls to him.
When Taryn is arrested for murder due to the police thinking one of her demonic victims is a normal businessman, Falstaff decides to free ger so he can claim her more quickly. He gets the police's attention by crucifying a priest, warning them that each day Taryn is not freed, he will kill one more person. However, soon after the demon is resurrected due to muggle error, and Falstaff sends him to massacre a police station while he kidnaps a police detective's daughter to make him bring Taryn to him. Taryn manages to escape and kill the demon, though she does have to take three days to fight Falstaff's influence.
After Falstaff makes a 14-year-old light herself on fire, Taryn decides to take the fight to him. Falstaff lets the detective's daughter go so he can fight Taryn alone. He almost manages to comoletely consume her soul, but the detective manages to convince him to possess him instead. Despite her protests, Taryn is ultimately forced to kill her ally to end Falstaff once and for all.
Heinousness?
Big Bad, sets it.
Mitigating factors?
Falstaff claims to want to bring some level of justice to a world abandoned by God, but this is a farce so he can claim souls.
Nothing indicates that demons lack agency, as they all used to be human.
Falstaff does let his hostage go, but it's explicitly stated that this is because he does not care about normal humans enough to bother.
Verdict?
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Sep 30th 2019 at 3:53:33 AM

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