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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#183401: Sep 18th 2019 at 2:56:28 AM

I'm glad I got my own Nyarly; how the FUCK did I miss those 2 music ones (well, with the latter, probably because it doesn't mention "Nyarlathotep" in the lyrics [lol] with the former, it's probably too new [lol]). Yes to them

Yes to Cecily. Honestly, you probably could've stopped at the Human Trafficking bit. [lol]

Is Samarki the first CM for James Lew? Yes to him.

[tup] Lee.

Edited by ACW on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:05:44 AM

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#183402: Sep 18th 2019 at 3:56:01 AM

[tup]McKinnon, Samarki, Lee, both Nyarlys

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#183403: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:50:36 AM

@ACW What can I say? I don't believe in doing anything halfway.

Here's Cecily's write-up:

  • Murdoch Mysteries: Cecily McKinnon, from season 8's two-part premiere "On the Waterfront", pretends to be a harmless businesswoman, but in reality, she ruthlessly controls Toronto's waterfront through her psychopathic henchmen, the O'Shea brothers. When Inspector Brackenreid investigates the extortion and violence on the docks, McKinnon has the O'Shea's savagely beat him and leave him for dead. When a fellow businessperson uncovers McKinnon's human trafficking business and tries to stop it, she has him beaten to death and tries to frame him for her own crimes, nearly succeeding in selling off seven innocent women into a life of slavery. When Brackenreid confronts McKinnon, she is utterly shameless about her atrocities, making a final attempt to murder him before being subdued. Hiding her monstrous nature beneath a benign facade, McKinnon stands out as one of the most callous and heinous criminals ever faced by the police of Station House No. 4.

If anybody else from the show stands out, I'll be sure to bring it up (I might rewatch McKinnon's episodes to see if the O'Shea's might be worth bringing up on their own; vicious pair of animals, they are). I'm starting a rewatch of Person of Interest soon as well, so I'll keep an eye out for any keepers there (other than the one it already has).

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#183404: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:51:57 AM

Cecily goes after the current keeper?

Please add to the Drafts.

Edited by ACW on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:53:23 AM

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#183405: Sep 18th 2019 at 4:53:14 AM

Yes. She's introduced long after Gillies.

Done.

Edited by DeCarta on Sep 18th 2019 at 9:35:08 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#183406: Sep 18th 2019 at 5:03:24 AM

[tup] To Killbus, Mckinnon, Scrag's candidates, and the second Nyarly

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#183407: Sep 18th 2019 at 5:34:14 AM

[tup] Samarki, Lee, Great Old Nyarly, and Dream Theatre Nyarly.

I'm toying with the idea, when I eventually have multiple effortposts in one go, of putting each effortpost into a folder, so that people can distinguish better between my effortposts.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 18th 2019 at 8:39:40 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#183408: Sep 18th 2019 at 5:48:11 AM

I'd say that's fine, if each effortpost is short, like Scraggle's. Or if it's the same work.

EDIT: For those wondering, this makes 20 for Nyarly, same as Jack. Satan has 39, Joker 36. The only others with 15 or more are Drac/Vlad (19); Brainiac (18); Skull (15). Can't same I'm surprised those are the 7 with 15 or more (for those wondering, Darkseid has 12).

EDIT 2: BTW, I put Lighty and myself down for discussion of Empowered volume 11, on October 8 or thereabouts.

Edited by ACW on Sep 18th 2019 at 9:26:20 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#183409: Sep 18th 2019 at 6:50:49 AM

Yes to Cecily, Samarki, Lee and both Nyarlys

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#183410: Sep 18th 2019 at 6:58:38 AM

Why does Black Clover Devil doesn't count as Satan in his number of incarnations. And if he doesn't considered to be Satan, why he needs to be mentioned at all?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#183411: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:12:31 AM

I dunno why he's listed there either. Devils are a race in black clover as in Demon Lords and Archdevils.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#183412: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:13:34 AM

Because he's called a devil, but he's not THE Devil.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#183413: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:15:02 AM

Well remove it then.

His entire species is called that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#183414: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:34:17 AM

[tup] to Cecily, Samarki, Lee and both Nyarlathotep incarnations

TheAlmightyKingPrawn Darkwing Goose from Surrounding the mind of A Self Called Nowhere Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Darkwing Goose
#183415: Sep 18th 2019 at 7:40:21 AM

[tup] recent examples

SP00PY month!
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#183416: Sep 18th 2019 at 8:43:40 AM

[tup] to Killbus, Mc Kinnon, Samarki, Lee, nyarly, And nyarly

I have no idea what I am doing
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#183417: Sep 18th 2019 at 9:26:30 AM

Also, regarding Satan, how do anyone likes this quote from Lucifer from Dante's Inferno An Animated Epic (started on 0:34 time mark):

Also, how about this video of Lucifer torturing Beatrice for video example?:

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:55:00 PM

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#183418: Sep 18th 2019 at 11:21:33 AM

[tup] to all the above. Also since I did the Gillies writeup his story got a more definite conclusion in the episode The Devil Inside (he gets hanged at long last for his crimes). Would De Carta be willing to add that

Edited by LordYAM on Sep 18th 2019 at 11:24:37 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#183419: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:15:15 PM

Huh SongBird Symphony now has a page. Don't we have a cm from here or is my memory fuzzy

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#183420: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:16:05 PM

Pretty sure MahStache still needs to write the Owl up.

Joker123 Since: Aug, 2019
#183421: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:18:53 PM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#183422: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:28:39 PM

[tup]Great Overseer

Good job. That's a pretty good first ep.

Edited by miraculous on Sep 18th 2019 at 12:29:07 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#183423: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:30:19 PM

Something about the EP is bothering me a bit...there are multiple places where the same lines are repeated, like this is a copy/paste...mind shedding light?

finalsurvivor1 Since: Jan, 2012
#183424: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:34:26 PM

A simple Google search has told me a good chunk of this proposal is a copy-paste of a majority of the Villains Wiki page. [tdown] out of principle.

Edited by finalsurvivor1 on Sep 18th 2019 at 3:35:18 PM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#183425: Sep 18th 2019 at 12:35:59 PM

Ooo...that's unfortunate.


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