During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
This I thought off ?
The defender of the universe has faced his fair share of diabolical enemies. The following characters, Galra members included are the worst
Edited by miraculous on Sep 13th 2019 at 1:36:36 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I agree with putting the Meet the Robinsons candidate on the "never again" list, but I have one question.
Should the Family Guy and South Park bullet points also include SpongeBob SquarePants and The Fairly OddParents! as it did in the past, or did I miss/forget that discussion?
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!I think Fairly odd parents and Spongebob were removed because nobody has brought them up here for a very long time
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffAny more votes on the Kevin image?
As for Oddparents, if we DO re-add it, we need a better reason than Negative Continuity.
perhaps Specify that it's a Depending on the Writer issue, sometimes Vicky or Crocker can do heinous stuff and get played seriously but most of the time they are Played for Laughs and aren't treated as worse then the average cartoon baddie.
Edited by Kylotrope on Sep 13th 2019 at 3:12:14 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereI watched The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance this week. I think I abstain on the Emperor.
I found this on the Emperor's character entry
- Made of Evil: Upon dying, he undignifyingly crumbles like a dry and rotten piece of wood, which mirrors the decadent and brutal way he reigned (and revealed in Age of Resistance to be because of his insistence on working with the Darkening, which slowly rotted him from the inside out). His Mystic counterpart, by contrast, is Made of Good, and disappears as gracefully as his life was simple and pacifistic.
Should I get rid of it or can I just leave it alone?
Edited by G-Editor on Sep 13th 2019 at 1:21:21 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffAlright, folks. The time we have all been waiting for is nigh. The moment of truth is almost upon us. The time where I shall present my full preemptive EP for Manga!Ghetsis. And I say "preemptive" because the arc hasn't wrapped up yet, but it's currently at the final battle so it will be wrapped up by the year's end, so I'm making a guess to what the outcome for Ghetsis might look like based on the source material the manga is deriving from.
I'm getting it all prepared now and it should be here shortly.
The only thing that I can think of at the moment is maybe the little speech
that Maahox gives in the last episode of Voltron Force, specifically:
What is the work? Commander is a rare Rambo ripoff with a wimpy protagonist that doesn't look like Rambo at all. Vietnam Vet Sergeant Roger Craig, going by the moniker Commander, is still fighting even years after the end of the war; a freedom fighter and resistance soldier, Commander protects the people from the evils of communism, aka the Viet Cong and their allies. With the Viet Cong getting stronger and stronger, the American Hero and the resistance are risking their lives for the future of innocent people, and as you might have guessed, a film like this wouldn't be complete without an evil Russian.
Who is he? Colonel Vlasov is a Soviet operative stationed at Vietnam to help the Viet Cong with obtaining supplies, making it easier for them to terrorize their own people and take prisoners. Frustated with the interference of Commander and how he's stealing his cargo, Vlasov is determined to find and execute this "terrorist" by any means necessary. Suspicious that Commander is receiveing intel from a spy, Vlasov tortures a Viet Cong fighter until he gives him information; the torture was so bad that the soldier died before he could even get executed. With the info that was given to him by the torture victim, Vlasov finds Commander's "base of operations", a peaceful village where people live away from the horrors perpetrated by the Viet Cong; eager to get his supplies back and kill his nemesis, Vlasov leads an operation to raid the village, sending his men to kill everything that they see, including the children, and using artillery to destroy the village in the matter of a few minutes, not even sparing a father who was holding the corpse of his son, effectly turning paradise into a graveyard.
After capturing Commander's lover and making her his hostage, Vlasov accepts Commander's offer to exchange her for the supplies, and they end up tricking each other: Commander gives the location of boxes filled with rocks, and Vlasov leaves him with the dying body of his lover, as she had been tortured without Commander's knowledge. With Commander at his mercy, Vlasov accuses him of being a "terrorist working for the American government" who's "trying to destroy these people's future", horribly torturing him in a variety of ways and forcing Commander to feign his own death to escape from him; his "corpse" is dumped in a swamp littered with the remains of his other victims, including his lover. After giving her a proper funeral, Commander returns to avenge her death, and with the help of his resistance buddies, they invade Vlasov's HQ but unfortunately his friends get killed as well. In the final battle between the two opposing ideologies, Commander finally reaches Vlasov and personally breaks his neck before detonating his tank with him inside to make sure that he's gone for good.
Freudian Excuse? Nah, he honestly thinks that he's the hero of the story, but his actions speak otherwise.
Heinous? As the Big Bad, he's indirectly or directly responsible for everything bad that happens.
Conclusion?
to my eighth Colonel.

BTW, how do you feel about this pic
◊ of Kevin from Sin City?