During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Abstain on Deimos.
New proposal, from Black Butler.
Who's the candidate?
Lady Hanae Wakatsuki, Shiori Genpo's aunt.
What does she do?
After being divorced for infertility caused by miscarriage, Hanae decided to become an Immortality Seeker. To test out various drugs, she contacts Corrupt Corporate Executive Shinpei Kujo and they proceed to experiment on young women by the hundreds. She ends up killing Shiori Genpou's parents, one of whom is her sister and the other us the husband who abandoned her, when they get in the way of her getting the money to continue the experiments.
Years later, Hanae starts poisoning random people with a drug called Necrosis, duscovered as a byproduct to the aforementioned experiments. This drug is an utter nightmare, causung its victims to spill Blood from Every Orifice and mummify in about fifteen minutes. She does this to eight powerful citizens of the East, her murders being nicknamed the Devil's Curse. The Queen of the West sends Shiori Genpou and her demon butler Sebastian Michaelis to solve the murders.
Hanae decides to test the final Necrosis product in an exclusive party hosted by Kujo. She has him release the product into the air while both of them hide behind a glass wall. They offer their victims the antidote in limited numbers, so as to watch them tear each other apart. Hanae has Fujo hand her the formula for Necrosis, and promptly shoots him in the chest.
The next night, Hanae tries to have a notorious Arms Dealer framed for the whole scheme, ordering him and his entire men massacred to maje it look like terrorists stole it for her real plan. As it turns out, she intends to Necrosus bomb a mass exorcism ceremony with all the worlds leaders (there are rumours that the killings are demonic in nature), which will kill everybody in a kilometre's radius. When Shiori discovers this, her maid/assassin Rin slaughtering many goons un the process, Hanae decides to simply leave Shiori to die with the bomb and frame the West for the whole thing.
Sebastian comes to rescue our heroine, but Hanae has her Dragon, whom she made superhuman with drugs, battle the demon butler, holding Shiori hostage to rig the battle. Shiori decides to bust a Necrosis ball, willingly sacrificing herself to kill her nemesis. Hanae manipulates her into giving her the antidote by pretending to be an unwilling participant in the conspiracy. However, Sebastian disguised two Necrosis balls as the antidote. Having just gotten two full doses alongside being exposed to the gas, Hanae's body is so poisoned that it shatters.
Heinousness?
Big Bad, sets it. She has bosses, but they don't show up. The film is strongly implied to be in canon with the manga, but it's not explicit enough for me to consider their heinous standards tied together.
Mitigating factors?
Her caring aunt act is just that, an act. She shows no hesitation killing Shiori the second her plan is inconvenienced.
She was legitimately screwed over by Shiori's parents, but this isn't portrayed sympathetically, just a starting motive for her Immortality Immorality that has been goung on years after the excuse would mean anything.
Verdict?
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Sep 9th 2019 at 8:32:22 AM
The Aunt's heinous enough, but her character page needs some SERIOUS cleaning up if it is in fact just an act.
I didn't even notice that.
Edited by ACW on Sep 9th 2019 at 11:59:19 AM
BTW, for Kamen Rider Zi-O, what's the order gonna be?
Also, unless something DRAMATIC happens, nobody comes CLOSE to counting in Pokémon Sun and Moon Anime. I'm not sure anyone even meets the BASELINE, much less the standard of, say, Cyrus.
Swartz > Sougo > Asura.
Big Bad at the top.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Actually... I'd say Sougo, Swartz and then Asura, considering Sougo is kinda the Greater-Scope Villain despite being Swartz's Puppet King. We've had a Big Bad going in second before, Sora/Gremlin from Kamen Rider Wizard. Mir and Lighty agree?
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 9th 2019 at 2:04:46 PM

Deimos has several dozens or hundreds or thousands of dolls (artificial humans/golems) at his disposal. And he kills/abuses several of them whenever they fail him, don't obey or worse.
Edited by Fan727 on Sep 9th 2019 at 7:36:49 AM