During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to the Crown Prince and Stewart Swinton.
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we've made this very Clear. Discuss this on another forum.
Even IF on the very off chance he gets a redeeming quality or something we will probably just call it a case of weird Depending on the Writer anyway.
Things are really about to get Fun around hereOH FOR PETE'S - OK, please let us all put The Rise Of Skywalker on the backburner. Put a moratorium on it until the day comes. Alright? At this point, after all this warning, you're liable to get holler'd if you mention that film again.
That being said:
Ravok, thanks so much for that Manga image or Frieza. It works great.
And yes to Pupper Spader.
Okay, so I tried to do this last night but I was too tired. But here's my EP for 1989 cult classic Cutting Class, starring Brad Pitt, Jill Schoelen, Donovan Leitch, and Roddy McDowall.
What is the Work?
Cutting Class is a 1989 slasher comedy about troubled student Brian Woods (Leitch) returns to class following his father's death, amid a swirl of rumors about his emotional state. Brian, spending time at a mental institution, competes for the affections of Paula Carson (Schoelen) with her boyfriend — the school's resident rebel, Dwight Ingalls (Pitt). But with people going missing, including Paula's father who had a hand in sending Brian to the mental hospital, and Brian's return is just a coincidence. He can't be the killer when Dwight has been around the time of the murders too, right? The killer is always the one you suspect.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
The killer is Brian Woods, who at first starts off the movie trying to kill Paula's father and spends the rest of the movie, killing a couple of teachers (both teachers having either touched Paula in some way or mistreated her), two fellow classmates, a secretary, and tries to frames Dwight for the murders once it appears that Dwight's class ring was in the photo of one of the killings. Brian's endgame is to not only kill Dwight but to make her be his boyfriend so he and Paula can be together forever.
Mitigating Factors / Freudian Excuse?
Brian appears to be well-adjusted, and there are hints that the reasons why he's crazy are because of the shock treatment he has endured. Dwight finds out that Brian has schizophrenia which adds to this notion. However, over the course of the film, Brian kills without remorse and acts as a friend for Paula, being the "perfect gentleman" to her. Brian has also murdered his father, who he claims is abusive to him and his mother, by cutting the brake lines to the car.
Heinousness?
OH yes, not only was Brian embraces that fact he is a murderer. "I was a murder! It wasn't as prestigious as a doctor or lawyer, but the hours were good. And so I thought, why not be the best in my profession?" In his final moments, he forces himself onto Paula, finally being able to be with her, whilst Dwight is being tortured with a vice and a drill. Even when Paula kills him, Brian's last act is cutting the brake lines to Dwight's car and hoping he'll die in a fiery car wreck. Deranged and obsessive with a woman that doesn't love him, Brian gladly and gleefully murders his way so she could love him under the cover of anonymity, all to make a name for himself in history books.
Final Verdict?
I'd say yes. Leitch's rather batshit insane performance at the end of the movie really shows how much of a monstrous person Brian, all while showing he clearly doesn't care about the people he kills as long as he's the best at what he does.
I noticed Light Yagami is listed as Obliviously Evil. I imagine that's disqualifying so it should maybe be cut. And Frollo's there too.
...I'm not even sure it's possible to be evil if you're oblivious to it. To do evil, maybe. But even that gets mired in theological and philosophical debates. I guess as far as this site is concerned it's a non-issue.

to the Prince and Stewart
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA