During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to the Wonder Woman duo
I’m wondering why some people don’t think the Disaster Demon dosent count. I’m mean I know the high standard is very high in Supernatural but this demon managed to get a body count within the hundred in only one episode.
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffBecause he's a demon and demons do horrible, horrible things on a regular basis up to and including trying to release apocalyptic beings to cause far, far worse atrocities.
Ruby and Meg tried to help cause the apocalypse. Random demons help Lucifer with rituals to nearly wipe out an entire coast of the US.
Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:09:49 AM
In other words, a hundred deaths in one episode may be sufficiently heinous for a human in a police procedural, but for demons, it's Tuesday. That's what miraculous was talking about when he mentioned Urban Fantasy had a higher Standard of Heinousness.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 12th 2019 at 11:17:08 AM
I wouldn't say his evil deeds are necessarily Played for Laughs, but I feel that the stuff he does is played more for cool points than they are for villainy. It's such a spectacle it's hard for his Hero Killer tendencies to really come off as Complete Monster material. I honestly don't know. I recommend a cut.
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What does Evil Is Cool have anything to do with heinousness, or the price of tea in China? There are plenty of monsters who have a cool factor. Hans Gruber, from Die Hard comes to mind, as does Ernst Stavro Blofeld, from the original James Bond series, not to mention The Joker, from Batman, in most incarnations.
Wondy duo
Jesus, I would hate to be in the alternate universe where that became the movie. It's like that 2011 pilot made by the guy who did that Catwoman movie
Edited by JustSomeMouse on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:29:03 AM
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Well considering that he didn't practice his feminist viewpoints, I'm not surprised
Edited by JustSomeMouse on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:45:59 AM

Edited by HamburgerTime on Aug 12th 2019 at 9:59:14 AM