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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#177876: Aug 12th 2019 at 7:59:06 PM

[tup] Crappy Wondy Script Duo.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Aug 12th 2019 at 9:59:14 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#177877: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:00:42 PM

[tup] to the Wonder Woman duo

I’m wondering why some people don’t think the Disaster Demon dosent count. I’m mean I know the high standard is very high in Supernatural but this demon managed to get a body count within the hundred in only one episode.

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#177878: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:04:21 PM

I am unfamiliar with Supernatural, so I'm abstaining on the Disaster Demon. I remember when I effortposted Montresor, who didn't meet the baseline, and he had already been discussed. Ever since, I have either used the search function, or flat out asked.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#177879: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:08:29 PM

Because he's a demon and demons do horrible, horrible things on a regular basis up to and including trying to release apocalyptic beings to cause far, far worse atrocities.

Ruby and Meg tried to help cause the apocalypse. Random demons help Lucifer with rituals to nearly wipe out an entire coast of the US.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:09:49 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#177880: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:15:27 PM

[up] In other words, a hundred deaths in one episode may be sufficiently heinous for a human in a police procedural, but for demons, it's Tuesday. That's what miraculous was talking about when he mentioned Urban Fantasy had a higher Standard of Heinousness.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 12th 2019 at 11:17:08 AM

Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#177881: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:16:22 PM

I wouldn't say his evil deeds are necessarily Played for Laughs, but I feel that the stuff he does is played more for cool points than they are for villainy. It's such a spectacle it's hard for his Hero Killer tendencies to really come off as Complete Monster material. I honestly don't know. I recommend a cut.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#177882: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:17:25 PM

[tup] Callas and Strife. [tdown] Disaster Demon.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#177883: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:19:42 PM

Yes to the two Wonder Woman villains.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#177884: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:24:43 PM

[up][up][up] What does Evil Is Cool have anything to do with heinousness, or the price of tea in China? There are plenty of monsters who have a cool factor. Hans Gruber, from Die Hard comes to mind, as does Ernst Stavro Blofeld, from the original James Bond series, not to mention The Joker, from Batman, in most incarnations.

JustSomeMouse Since: Jul, 2019
#177885: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:28:08 PM

[tup] Wondy duo

Jesus, I would hate to be in the alternate universe where that became the movie. It's like that 2011 pilot made by the guy who did that Catwoman movie

Edited by JustSomeMouse on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:29:03 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#177886: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:30:36 PM

[tup] Wonder Woman duo.

And this script is by Joss Weadon you say ? Wow.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#177887: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:31:48 PM

[tup] to Callad and Strife

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177888: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:44:24 PM

[tup]vornov, bathory, Dominic, wonder woman duo.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
JustSomeMouse Since: Jul, 2019
#177889: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:45:20 PM

[up][up][up]Well considering that he didn't practice his feminist viewpoints, I'm not surprised

Edited by JustSomeMouse on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:45:59 AM

Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#177890: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:45:21 PM

Okay, I feel he isn't painted as being sadistic enough and that most of his evil acts are for the sake of spectacle.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#177891: Aug 12th 2019 at 8:54:15 PM

[tup] Wonder Woman script duo, just imagine if a film with THAT script was ever created?

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#177892: Aug 12th 2019 at 9:05:44 PM

Yes to Ravok and Scraggs' stuff. No to the demon. I thought Khashoggi was cut a while back... or at least Riley brought up the thought of cutting him previously, I know I agreed for a cut but I think it was the under the same argument currently being presented.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177893: Aug 12th 2019 at 9:07:45 PM

Yes to all of the candidates I missed. Though no to Max (Thanks Sky for eping him and you've done a great job!) and unsure on Khassoghi

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#177894: Aug 12th 2019 at 9:13:56 PM

[tup] Dominic

[tup] Arabella Callas

[tup] Strife

Watch me destroying my country
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#177895: Aug 12th 2019 at 9:18:13 PM

Riley, not all monsters are sadists. Exhibit A: Hans Gruber is a greedy man who will do anything for his personal gain; he never indulges in pointless cruelty. He's still a Monster, because he does horrible things for his personal gain.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#177896: Aug 12th 2019 at 9:39:57 PM

'Yes' to Strife, there, easily.

Also? Legion has just had its series finale. PM for details or to discuss, those who want to.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#177898: Aug 12th 2019 at 9:46:12 PM

[tup] WW duo. Been meaning to look at the script for potential candidates, but I didn't want to subject myself to garbage. Kudos to Ravok and Scrags for being real troopers (or should I say, tropers?).

Edited by therealjackieboy on Aug 12th 2019 at 9:55:43 AM

It's Spooky Month!
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#177899: Aug 12th 2019 at 10:11:25 PM

[tup] to Sid, Victorious fanfic duo Wong, Voronov, Báthory, Dominic, callas, strife. [tdown] to Max and disaster demon

I have no idea what I am doing
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#177900: Aug 12th 2019 at 10:21:40 PM

[tup] Everyone from the Blake and Mortimer candidate to here except the disaster demon who I'll abstain on for a lack of knowledge of the series


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