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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#177501: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:47:54 AM

Also, Shredder started off minor? Huh. Then again, Joker was the same way.

Shredder was a starter villain, who appeared only in issue 1, two issue arc, where he attacked the Turtles in April's home and an arc, where Turtles decided to finally kill him in his headquarters. Also he was reanimated in short arc later as a mutant, but he decided to kill himself in the end of that arc, declaring something along the lines: "Oroku Saki is dead. And he shouldn't come back."

He drags him back to hell personally stopping his threat. If it was evil vs oblivion. The hell would he sacrifice himself.

Considering what Shredder has become by this point (undead abomination), maybe he decided to put himself out of this misery too.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:49:58 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177502: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:57:04 AM

So I found some unapproved wicks on The main page because of course.

Here's one from blacklight

  • Complete Monster: Paose seems to fit the bill, casually committing horrific acts while maintaining a cheery, up-beat disposition.

And one from Luck Stealer

Yeahh for lack of details.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 10th 2019 at 8:58:23 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177503: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:57:41 AM

Upon hearing Lighty's argument, I'm voting [tdown] to Mary. If she really is possessed by The Power of Hate, moral agency is definitely lacking. Reminds me of GMK Godzilla.

RIP KissAnime.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#177504: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:02:26 AM

[up][up] Cut those (though PM the troper on Paose).

Edited by ACW on Aug 10th 2019 at 12:03:16 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177505: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:04:07 AM

But it doesn't even say what he does ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#177506: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:40:09 AM

Switching to [tdown] on Mary and Ham Egg after lightysnake's arguments

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177507: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:44:28 AM

Oh right yeah.

[tdown]Mary and ham egg.

Sad too would have joined the goofy cm name list.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#177508: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:48:07 AM

Yes to the TMNT villains, no to Mary and Ham Egg.

TMNT is an interesting franchise, it can go from goofy to dark at the drop of a hat. The Mirage comics that started everything were not always for kids.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177509: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:49:03 AM

Oof...Another Visual Novel CM got downvoted. Oh well, at least I tried my best.

Also, yea...Think I'll switch a no on Ham Egg too on my consideration. My suspicions stand corrected given that he seems not aware about animals being sapient either.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177510: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:52:10 AM

Yeah. Switching to a [tdown] on Sam-I-Am as well. Good effort, though.

RIP KissAnime.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177511: Aug 10th 2019 at 9:53:16 AM

[up] Seconded on that.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#177515: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:12:18 AM

[tup] Skonk and Romero

[tdown] Mary and Ham Egg

JustSomeMouse Since: Jul, 2019
#177516: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:25:54 AM

His name is Hamegg, not "Ham Egg"

[tdown] to him by the way, as he is shown to love his daughter shows sympathy to the animals when he retires

Also Kimba the White Lion is not a ripoff of The Lion King (I really hate that misconception)

[down]I thought that it was in the same continuity, sorry

Edited by JustSomeMouse on Aug 10th 2019 at 10:32:16 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#177517: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:27:39 AM

[up] Wrong continuity. This is the 1997 movie, which Adapted Out the daughter.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#177518: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:42:51 AM

So, my X-men villain? I give you Ahab.

Who is Ahab?

A scientist named Roderick "Rory" Campbell, Ahab is a cybernetic madman in the future when mutants were outlawed. Ahab...gained a specific niche....the 'Hounds' program.

One of the most horrific crimes from the dystopia, Ahab tracks down mutants and tortures them savagely, destroying their identities through conditioning and physical torture until pain is all they know, breaking them down until nothing remains but his slave: the Hounds. He then ha them hunt down their old friends to slaughter them, or subject them to the same process. Rachel Summers was his masterpiece, until she rebelled against him and managed to escape, to his chagrin.

Ahab is first involved in the Days of Future Present storyline when he comes down, seen in full tortured one mutant who has been captured. When the man resists him, Ahab just laughs that he can die as well, before impaling him....his goal is to hunt down the renegade Rachel...as well as Franklin Richards, the strongest reality warping mutant known, trying to torture the Richards family into Hounds to hunt their son down, before he's defeated.

After being defeated in a few more repeat performances, Ahab takes the leadin the Extermination event, seeking to simply exterminate mutantkind, devising a brand new scheme: with psychic Hounds, and the memories of their torture, Ahab can simply implant memories of the torture and agony to make others into Hounds, converting many of them to his side. Ahab is seemingly defeated again, but resurfaced in the Uncanny X-Force, where a general in Romania is helping Ahab with the collection of mutants so Ahab can cure his son of his mutant condition, which is far, far from beneficial....Ahab is simply torturing the mutants to death in grotesque experiments and eventually slaughters the man's allies, before murdering his son and writing "the only cure is death" on the walls.

Ahab is tracked down when he goes after the X-force, said general also going after him in revenge.After Ahab pulls the usual, trying to kill all the mutants he can, he's brought down and said general does a suicide attack that finishes Ahab for good, killing the evil scientist at last.

'Heinousness?

We know how dark X-men is...mutant persecution, murder and genocide are what you need to get your foot in the door now, but Ahab's niche with the Hounds, how widespread and brutal that is, and his horrific experiments? Yeah, I think that gets a unique layer to Ahab, and how monstrous he is.

Mitigating Qualities?

Ahab's only had a handful of appearances over the years, but...nothing. Even his past self, the 'real' Dr. Campbell is revolted by what he becomes. No Excuse is given or anything but monstrous racism and a god complex. Ahab is just a raging sadist who loves to control others and is a virulent racist who thinks Mutants should be enslaved and/or exterminated.

Conclusion?

I'd rate the bastard as a keeper.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#177519: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:45:19 AM

[tup] Captain Ahab

It's Spooky Month!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177523: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:52:06 AM

[tup]Ahab

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#177525: Aug 10th 2019 at 10:53:43 AM

I admittedly hesitated for just a second, since Amanda Mueller ALSO has Playing with Syringes, but Ahab's unique enough.

Will he be like Dark Beast, where he originated elsewhere but crossed over to Earth-616, or will he go under Other Continuities?


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