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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#177451: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:33:16 AM

Okay, here is the last bunch of candidates from TMNT franchise. From me anyway.

What's the work?

Okay, I talked about the 2003 4Kids animated series, when I Eped Ch'rell from Bad Future Episode. Well, I recently decided to check the whole series out and managed to find few candidates from it. All of them are from first 4 seasons of the series (as Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers villains quite generic in deeds and Tengu Shredder was already approved)

Me first candidate is a villain from loose adaptation of Mirage Studios comic "Survivalists" - Skonk.

Who is Skonk?

An alien hating leader of a small group called Humans Against The Extraterrestrials (H.A.T.E.), Skonk created his organization after the Earth was invaded by the Triceratons in the first half of Season 3. Being sure, that aliens are still on Earth and (by his own logic) thinking that New York is the "stronghold" of the aliens, Skonk decided to create thermonuclear bomb (AKA small Nuke) and then transport it and detonate in the middle of New York City. When one of the members of his group was shocked by this plan and decided to run off and warn someone, Skonk has him hunted down in the woods and nearly killed (he would be able to kill him, if Donatello and Raphael had not interfere). As he orders couple of his henchmen to continue the hunt, Skonk goes to his own base to give a motivational speech to his followers and reveal his plan of setting off the bomb in the New York. Sending most of his followers to the forest on patrol, Skonk became suspicious when they were gone for too long and when Donatello and Raphael defeated all of them and send one of the cars toward the base to explode, Skonk hide. As Donatello and Raphael discover the bomb, Skonk reveal himself to them and tries to kill them, only for the Turtles to easily disarm him, after which Skonk used his spray to blind them and tries to drive away with the bomb himself to New York. Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael chase him and manage to capture him and disarm the bomb by removing the nuclear device from it, leaving his truck to explode in the middle of nowhere. The Turtles then leave him and his nuclear device for the police to find.

Heinousness?

A villain of a single episode, we may even call it half an episode, as he is present only in plot A, while plot B of this episode is April winning the approval of Casey's mother (taking place entierly on Casey's grandmother house). And for a villain of a half of episode, his plan of sneaking a nuke to the middle of New York and blowing it up, resulting in hundreds of casualties, does making him stand out. Hell, it makes him more heinous than most of the bad guys in the series.

Mitigating Qualities?

None, Skonk is xenophobic asshole, who doesn't care about his followers (being ready to leave them to rot) and doesn't care about humans either (as his explosion, even in his own mind would kill countless humans), being ready to blow up New York, simply because of his hatred of the aliens.

Conclusion?

I will say Yes.

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177453: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:46:10 AM

Sure.

RIP KissAnime.
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#177454: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:51:07 AM

[tup] To Ham & Egg and, considering I've put her up, Mary. True, you could make a case that Mary is a being made out of evil but I argue she's a being born from evil. Created by a curse and hatred, Mary still has a sense of morality and understands human standards. She uses that understanding to create even greater fear and despair which she feeds on, not out of necessity, but rather she finds it incredibly delectable.

Also, you got a few errors in your EP post such as her causing the incidents that killed the spirits when they were alive, which isn't the case. She just turned the spirits of those people who died into the monstrosities that wreaks havoc around the city except the scientist which she was directly responsible. Also, you forgot to add she killed Saya, and that her purpose wasn't just consuming their fears, but also to spread rumors to increase the fear which she takes and makes herself even more powerful. I think I should handle the write-up.

Also, [tup] to Skonk.

Edited by TheImmortalAngelNewton on Aug 10th 2019 at 2:51:29 AM

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177455: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:58:02 AM

[tup]Mary and skonk

So another for Mr. Sean schemmel

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#177456: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:00:20 AM

[tup] Skonk. Yet another for Sean Schemmel, along with Goku Black (NOT Zamasu though); Anime!Cyrus & Grings Kodai; Black Doom; and video game Makuta Teridax.

DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177457: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:01:30 AM

Which actor has the most under their belt? I'm sure Tim Curry has to be up there.

RIP KissAnime.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177458: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:02:41 AM

@Immortal Angel Newton Thanks for chiming in Newton especially on some errors that I had in my EP and sure, you may do her writeup in later future. The rest of the potential candidates is all yours. I only want Mary up

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177459: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:05:31 AM

Norio Wakamoto is the reigning king at 15 cms.

Used to be 16 but were cutting zakheav.

Steve blum is a close second with 13.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177460: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:08:00 AM

[up] Wow!

RIP KissAnime.
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177462: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:09:34 AM

@miraculous I think you could also add Norio Wakamoto in the list on "Guy Who Plays CM but also fought one" like Mark Hammil, John Di Maggio and so on because well... Wakamoto voiced the main hero of The Puppet Princess OVA where he fights Lord Sadayoshi Karimata.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#177463: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:38:09 AM

Wait, DiMaggio fought one?

Also, Nyarly and the game mods:

Hearts of Iron Game Mods

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ZetaRidge (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#177464: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:40:13 AM

[tup] Ham Eggs (Now that's a strange name for a very evil villain. tongue) and Skonk

Edited by ZetaRidge on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:40:22 AM

DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177465: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:43:39 AM

Too bad Sephiroth is too sympathetic to qualify, then George Newbern could make the list of both playing and fighting a CM.

RIP KissAnime.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177466: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:49:34 AM

@ACW Yep... As Jake from Adventure Time fighting The Lich or Dr. Gross.

Anyways sure to Skonk

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177467: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:52:52 AM

He was also aquaman in Batman brave and the bold.

Making that a rare case where he played both the cm and person he fought in the same show without the use of Evil Twin or Evil Doppleganger tropes.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#177468: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:55:00 AM

Btw. Anybody want to give an opinion on Mary?

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#177470: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:34:31 AM

[tup] to Mary, Egg, and Skonk

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#177471: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:36:56 AM

Second and last EP from 2003 TMNT series (and from TMNT franchise, from me anyway for forceable 3 months)

Who is Savanti Romero?

Formerly a human apprentice to the lord and master of all time and space (who is called Simultaneous), Savanti at one point tried to stole Time Scepter from him, only for Simultaneous to interfere, turn him in to a demon and imprison him in to Medieval times. From there Savanti plotted revenge on Simultaneous and manage to draw Time Scepter (which was wielded by the current Simultaneous' apprentice Renet) to him (mostly because Renet tried to escape from Simultaneous, being afraid of the punishment he would bring on her, for taking Time Scepter without permission). There Savanti managed to capture Renet along with Time Scepter and plans to use it to kill Lord Simultaneous and take over the universe. When Turtles (who were dragged along with Renet to the medieval times) attacked him, Savanti fought them off and managed to defeat them, only to be knocked out from behind by Renet. As Lord Simultaneous (who arrived there) punish him again, by sending him to the Dinosaur age, Ultimate Drako (who was pretended to be Savanti's pet) took the Time Scepter to use for his schemes (the long arc of sending Turtles to the other dimensions, like Bad Future of "Same As It Never Was") and escaped.

Desiring to have his revenge on the Turtles and Renet, Savanti contacted them from his time by using Dinosaur's bones in the museum. Threatening to wipe Turtles from existence, Savanti lured the Turtles and Renet to prehistoric time, where Savanti captured Renet and ordered his enslaved Dinosaurs to kill the Turtles. Tying Renet at the top of his giant construction, made from bones of hundreds of Dinosaurs, Savanti revealed to her his plan, of using her life as an energy, which will move the Earth's orbit to the side, causing the asteroid (which originally wiped out the Dinosaurs) to miss the planet, which would cause change in history, wiping out humanity from existence (as humanity will never exist because of this), as well as the Turtles. Turtles fight him at the top of his construction and manage to defeat him, by sending him to get his by lighting and fall to the lake (where he presumably drown and died).

Heinousness?

Savanti Romero is a villain of only 3 episodes ("Time Travails" and "Return of Savanti" two-parter) and with that, I think Savanti manages to pass, if solely by his scheme of destroying a timeline, thus wiping out entire humanity from existence, solely to get rid of the Turtles. Considering that Savanti remains trapped in all of his appearances (In "Time Travails" he trapped in Medieval times and in "Return of Savanti" in prehistoric), with his ability to cause harm being limited, Savanti manages to stand out even more. Also he tortured his pet (who was Ultimate Drako in reality), simply because he annoyed him and he also smiled while doing it.

Mitigating Qualities?

None

Conclusion?

I will say Yes.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Aug 10th 2019 at 2:43:54 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#177473: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:44:04 AM

[tup]Romero

Figured he was next.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#177474: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:44:42 AM

I guess another [tup] for another Turtles villain.

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Aug 10th 2019 at 4:45:04 AM

RIP KissAnime.
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#177475: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:52:10 AM

[tup] I'd never guess that the TMNT franchise had so many candidates.


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