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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174001: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:28:59 PM

I missing anything?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#174002: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:29:29 PM

Just various ones in the past, nothing lately.

No, Hakan is ungodly far from this trope, serial killer and pedophile or not (he's awful and inexcusable, but he's not pure evil. He's devoted to Eli, creepy as it is, feels horrible guilt over the murders he commits for her, feels horribly guilty about his urges and pedophilia to the point of calling out an encounter with a child prostitute and giving him a lot of money-which does nothing to excuse buying him in the first place. I rest my case)

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174003: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:30:22 PM

BTW, Mir, you're thinking of Sopot, not Molov.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#174004: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:32:29 PM

But the majority of the entry is talking about molov rather spotop. Read it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174005: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:37:23 PM

Huh, you're right. Well, now it's officially approved. It probably needs a rewrite anyway.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#174006: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:39:53 PM

Btw does sopot actually count. Molov sounds worse despite being his dragon.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#174007: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:52:02 PM

CM And HS Crossovers is another list I'd like to add.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174008: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:55:56 PM

[up] Go for it.

I assume MB and HS crossovers isn't a thing?

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#174009: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:57:06 PM

Molov's not The Dragon. He was once upon a time, but now he is a very successful Starscream.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174010: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:58:41 PM

Does Sopot even count? It seems like he doesn't do much before getting overthrown.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#174011: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:00:09 PM

[up][up][up]No. The whole idea of a charming chessmaster would exclude something like that.

[up][up]Okay then but what does he do that makes him standout from said starscresm. As frankly he doesn't sound as bad as Molov

Edited by miraculous on Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:01:30 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#174012: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:01:38 PM

Okay, uh...the entry for Sopot is bad

  • Red Faction II: Victor Sopot creates an army of super soldiers using nanotechnology, then, when he fears them, decides to have them all destroyed by his Elite Guard, and replaces them with mindless, zombie-like slaves called "the Processed". Crate Molov is even worse. Immediately after Sopot's assassination, Molov becomes the new Chancellor of the Commonwealth, and he, Repta, Quill and Shrike slaughter the Red Faction fighters they were supporting at their headquarters. As if that wasn't enough, he continues Sopot's "Processed" project and makes a newer model to unleash on the city.

A good CM entry should not talk about how their successor is even worse and devote over half the entry to that.

JustSomeMouse Since: Jul, 2019
#174013: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:09:44 PM

Has anyone said anything about the missing entries from the last batch (Mysterio, etc.)

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#174015: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:11:44 PM

Someone needs to fix this Sopot entry or he needs to be cut.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#174016: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:12:34 PM

Honestly I'm kinda inclined to cut sopot.

Seems he's outheinoused in his game.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#174017: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:17:04 PM

I don't think we even discussed Sopot. That has to be an approved entry.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174018: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:17:24 PM

So, does Sopot count? If not, we can just replace him with the Molov rewrite like we did Torrez and Voz.

Edited by ACW on Jul 23rd 2019 at 4:18:32 AM

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#174020: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:40:15 PM

Are we still waiting on a write up for the Mind Flayer from Stranger Things?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174021: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:41:25 PM

That's been done. I submitted it today with the TV and Film stuff.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#174022: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:46:06 PM

If I thought Sopot counted, I would have EP'd him.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#174023: Jul 23rd 2019 at 1:55:18 PM

Alright, whenever Molov gets written up his entry can replace Sopot's.

Sherman Howard still has Blight.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#174024: Jul 23rd 2019 at 2:05:05 PM

I'll get my entires ready after the Scream: Resurrection discussion. Should be tomorrow or midnight tonight.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#174025: Jul 23rd 2019 at 2:16:26 PM

@ACW

HS and MB Crossovers can be a thing, If say, the writer intended for one Charachter to be hated but screwed up.

Things are really about to get Fun around here

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