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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
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#172530: Jul 14th 2019 at 4:45:47 PM

[tup] To Metzger. Kind of reminds me of the time I effortpost Metz (you know because they share the first four letters Metz and are utterly monstrous Nazis)

Edited by G-Editor on Jul 14th 2019 at 2:05:26 AM

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Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#172531: Jul 14th 2019 at 4:47:20 PM

Yes to Commandant Metzger.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#172532: Jul 14th 2019 at 5:46:28 PM

What’s the current vote count on the Bundy quote since the last upvote?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#172533: Jul 14th 2019 at 5:52:16 PM

Sure to Metzger

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#172534: Jul 14th 2019 at 5:56:31 PM

[tup] to Smedes, Vizer, Ganji, and Metzger.

Also, a bit more off topic, isn’t there a page where it lists the number of cm incarnations certain characters have? What was it called again? I’ve tried to find it but was unable to.

EDIT: [down] Thanks Luka!

Edited by PureGrainAlkaSeltzer on Jul 14th 2019 at 12:05:26 PM

I have no idea what I am doing
IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#172536: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:06:34 PM

So, there's the Fables novel incarnation, the King Rat incarnation, and in Once Upon A Time, Peter Pan is the Pied Piper. That's three incarnations. Four if you count the Ghostbusters one, but as far as I know that one isn't the original Pied Piper, just a ghostly being with a similar motif. Is there any actual connection?

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#172537: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:24:46 PM

Peter Pan is the Piper?

EDIT: I removed the stuff for Ghostbusters. I think Max and the King Rat version are the only official CM incarnations of the Hamelin dude. Let me know if I'm wrong about Pan.

Batch is on the previous page BTW.

Edited by ACW on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:43:51 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#172538: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:53:55 PM

Writeups:

  • Batman Beyond: Douglas Tan, a disturbed youth obsessed with the Joker and his carnage, dedicates himself to proving the fundamental meaningless of life and becoming the Joker's own Superior Successor. Fashioning himself "the Joker King," Douglas drugs dozens of Jokerz from around the nation into becoming suicide bombers, using them to wreak havoc across Gotham and cause thousands of deaths in an attempt to destroy the city, murdering his own best friend on a random whim just before the destruction starts. Douglas eventually decides to murder his entire family too, attempting to kill his comatose father in the hospital and only hesitating when his sister steps in the way—before deciding without another second of hesitation to kill her too.

  • Turok (2017): Imperator Licendor Vex is the cruel ruler of the Varanid Empire that rules the Lost Valley, having set himself up as a god by having every single believer of the Seventy-Seven gods massacred. With torture and murder rampant in his regime, Vex intends to produce a heir through the use of thirteen breeding slaves, intending to regain his libido by butchering and eating several young children to use their flesh to replenish himself.

  • Hassan-I-Sabbah, better known as Khyber, is the lord of the Hashshashin, having his assassins slaughter whomever they wanted before seemingly fading into myth to prepare for his greatest attack on Earth yet. As a foretold bad future portends, Khyber divides nations and causes horrible terrorist attacks for centuries, dealing and divvying power to a variety of supervillains, before defeating Superman himself and using the ensuing chaos to scar the world with war and disasters, killing billions and allowing whomever survives to exist in nuclear winter under the cruel rule of the supervillains he's dealt with. Killing Superman himself for real during their final battle, Khyber's ultimate end comes in the form of his own creation Sirocco, a man whom Khyber put all his capacity for remorse and guilt into, making him immortal while forcing him to bear the emotional torment of every atrocity Khyber has committed for centuries.

  • Army of Dr. Moreau: Commandant Metzger is the cruel Nazi dispatched to create an army for the Third Reich via experimenting on the sapient human-animals on an unmarked island to turn them into killers. Metzger has the homo-animalia tear innocents apart and fight to the death to demonstrate their savage prowess, executing them on a moment's notice and only refraining from killing one near the end as their ranks have been whittled from his horrible abuse. Metzger eventually attempts to take every homo-animalia on the island through force, having an encampment of theirs utterly massacred down to the elderly and the children, dismissing them as merely "ungodly abominations" he seeks to control no matter what he has to put them through.

  • Indiana Jones and the Army of the Dead: Boukman is a powerful, almost two-hundred-year-old bokor in Haiti with powers over zombis, with a known tendency to murder countless "young and beautiful" natives on the island to turn them into revenants, or merely drugging them into slaves who can do nothing but utterly obey Boukman's every command. Boukman seeks ultimate power via the talisman of the Maldye which will allow him to unleash a zombie army upon the entire world and kill countless people, intending to use his own great grand niece Marie—whose mother he murdered—as a sacrifice to empower himself, as well as Indy, his allies, and the entire village of locals he's terrorized for so long.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#172539: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:54:53 PM

Those are all going next week.

The Indy page can be locked after this one, right?

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#172540: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:54:53 PM

[tup] to Metzger

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#172542: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:22:16 PM

If the Joker King is canon to the DCAU, does it also go on the DC animation page ?

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#172543: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:39:35 PM

[tup]Metzger

A little grammatical error in the writeup for Owen Mc Kitrick here:

"Senator Owen Mc Kitrick is a racist politician]"

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43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#172545: Jul 14th 2019 at 9:00:59 PM

Yes to Metzger and something (I think) Scraggle brought up to me a while ago and I just forgot about. Remember we upvoted that version of his very own Ash from Heaven from a fan fic called Address? Clicking the link provided on the work page, that fic... doesn't seem to exist anymore. Can we even trope something with no record of its existence? I was under the impression we purged such cases, including any monster entry it might have.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#172547: Jul 14th 2019 at 9:14:51 PM

It's nice to have a fanfic based of your own work but yeah... I think its at best to purge it. Now I wonder if Kindness of Devils has a fanfic of its own

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#172549: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:04:43 PM

I’m ok with purging, but if the fic is ever found again, I think he should be reinstated.

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