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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#171601: Jul 8th 2019 at 2:30:30 PM

[tup] to Owen, and welcome back to Pairon

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#171602: Jul 8th 2019 at 2:32:18 PM

Two questions about Resident Evil.

1st I'm curious why the film version of Wesker doesn't count since, according to his character page he's still a major villain. Is he not heinous enough or does he have a redeeming trait?

Should Saddler's Write up include him killing Luis and Mike? I know that those murders aren't that important for him as a CM but they are still prominent moments in the game.

Edited by papyru30 on Jul 8th 2019 at 11:11:08 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#171604: Jul 8th 2019 at 2:54:24 PM

[tup] Owen Mc Kitrick

Also, uh...Hi Paireon, nice to meet you.

[tup] Achilles de Flandres

[tup] Jason Craven.

Watch me destroying my country
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#171605: Jul 8th 2019 at 3:26:21 PM

Oh and easy yes to Owen... Cant believe I missed another candidate

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#171606: Jul 8th 2019 at 3:36:12 PM

[tup] to Owen McKitrick.

Edited by CloisterTheStupid on Jul 8th 2019 at 11:36:47 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#171607: Jul 8th 2019 at 3:55:54 PM

Nice to meet you Paireon, welcome back to this thread.

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#171608: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:08:49 PM

Is it time to discuss the new Child's Play film yet?

Edited by username2527 on Jul 8th 2019 at 4:09:30 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#171610: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:11:12 PM

Wasn't it decided that Hamill!Chucky didn't count?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#171612: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:15:13 PM

It was discussed already? Damn, this thread moves too fast. Yeah I agree the reboot Chucky can't count due to impaired agency.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#171613: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:15:51 PM

[tup] Owen.

Also, it’s nice to finally encounter the thread founder, and fellow Canadian, Paireon.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#171614: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:17:10 PM

[up][up] It really does move superfast nowadays [lol]

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#171615: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:20:20 PM

[tup] Owen

Sorry if this sounds weird, but would Paireon be considered the God of this thread?

It's Spooky Month!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#171616: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:22:29 PM

Ask him. He’s certainly the GSV.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#171617: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:44:01 PM

Was the GSV, he's stepping into the field as Big Bad now though [lol]

BCP Since: May, 2019
#171618: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:55:22 PM

Just a question, has anyone discussed Mysterio yet? cause I personally think he could have a chance of qualifying

Edited by nombretomado on Jul 8th 2019 at 5:13:01 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#171619: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:57:01 PM

Remove that. Discussion hadn't reached the 2 week rule yet.

BCP Since: May, 2019
#171620: Jul 8th 2019 at 4:58:34 PM

@Austin DR oh okay, how do I remove a comment? Also if I spoiled something, I am really sorry about that and I apologize if I ruined the movie for anyone.

Edited by BCP on Jul 8th 2019 at 5:04:21 AM

FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#171621: Jul 8th 2019 at 5:03:44 PM

How hard is it to wait two weeks for Ravok to share his thoughts on the movie? Seriously.

nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#171622: Jul 8th 2019 at 5:14:00 PM

Spoiler tags have been added.

Two week rule is well laid out. It'll get thumped if this happens again.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#171623: Jul 8th 2019 at 5:39:45 PM

The discussion dates are listed for a reason. Let's keep it at that.

Speaking of discussion dates, I'd like to reserve discussion on Stuber.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 8th 2019 at 8:42:53 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#171624: Jul 8th 2019 at 5:59:50 PM

[tup] Owen.

[tup] Achilles.

[tup] Jason Craven.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#171625: Jul 8th 2019 at 6:01:28 PM

Hey there Paireon!

Things are really about to get Fun around here

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