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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#171201: Jul 6th 2019 at 1:57:29 AM

Lucien also seemed angry to see a family of strangers using his father's things, but eventually we slowly realize that he sees objects and people as his property, which is why, in his mind, they were using his things. For christ's sake, the boy is working for the people that are more than likely torturing his father in prison.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jul 6th 2019 at 6:01:12 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#171202: Jul 6th 2019 at 2:27:39 AM

[tup] to Lucien

Things are really about to get Fun around here
DocSharp Since: Jun, 2011
#171203: Jul 6th 2019 at 2:31:05 AM

Aaaaaand here's Von Reichter!

  • Cybersix: Dr. Von Reichter is a cruel scientist with two concerns: conquering the city of Meridiana, and exterminating his hated creation Cybersix. Throughout the series, Von Reichter engages in various ploys to achieve his goals, such as; resurrecting Cybersix' little brother Cyber 29 as a panther, only to wipe his mind and use him as a weapon against his sister; sending in the werewolf Lucille, who attacks civilians and transforms them into more of her kind; and making countless attempts on Cybersix' life. In the final episode, Von Reichter grows weary with his failures, and tries to wipe Meridiana and its populace off the face of the Earth with a gigantic living bomb known as the Isle of Doom, so that the rest of the world will take him seriously as a threat. Even when he is thwarted and moments from being blown to kingdom come, Von Reichter still makes one last effort to ensure Cybersix' demise by setting his remaining creations upon her.

I'll go add this to drafts, pothole it however you wish.

Edited by DocSharp on Jul 6th 2019 at 2:56:52 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#171206: Jul 6th 2019 at 3:49:13 AM

[tup] Lucien

Hey guys, anyone doing Three Houses? I'm planning to also check that.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#171207: Jul 6th 2019 at 3:54:53 AM

@Newton Lightysnake and Erazor took it first

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#171208: Jul 6th 2019 at 3:55:37 AM

I have a question: I know there is no such thing as an Affably Evil Complete Monster, but do you suppose a character could start out as an Affably Evil villain but later devolve into a Faux Affably Evil Complete Monster after Jumping Off the Slippery Slope and losing their redeeming qualities as a result of becoming more evil over time?

jjj
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#171209: Jul 6th 2019 at 3:58:08 AM

[tup]Lucien

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#171210: Jul 6th 2019 at 4:04:35 AM

[up][up] I think that's what happened with Megabyte

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#171211: Jul 6th 2019 at 4:16:31 AM

[tup] Lucien.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
MovieFan2000 Since: Jan, 2016
#171212: Jul 6th 2019 at 4:22:45 AM

[up][up] Yep, sometimes it's possible to "took a level in monsterdom"

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#171213: Jul 6th 2019 at 4:47:22 AM

Prisoner Zero now has a work page. I'll crosswick when I submit the de-potholed Western Animation entries.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#171214: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:28:34 AM

[tup] to Lucien Lacombe. Yeah he sounds like one of the most nightmarishly realistic depictions of a low impulse sociopath I've ever heard.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#171215: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:29:08 AM

Oh right yeah, shit. Forgot to talk about Nightmare Cinema. Although given how quickly it got deleted from the Discussion Dates page before anyone inquired about it, I'm assuming I'm not the only one.

Anyway, no one counts. The Projectionist is the Big Bad, but it's vague as to whether or not he kills his victims or manipulates them into doing so. And even then, he allows a pre-teen kid run out of his theater when he easily could've killed him, so eh. Everything about the movie is ambiguous, and seeing as how every segment is a Show Within a Show, they automatically don't count anyway. Which is a shame, because there's a demon named Mashit who possesses people (mostly children) and convinces them to kill themselves just to spite adults who commit the sin of lust/adultery. Could've marked that off on the "Weirdest/Dumbest CM Names" list, but ah well.

I'm assuming no one counts in Anna either...or I'm assuming no one saw the film or cares much.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#171216: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:41:27 AM

I dunno is it like tales from the crypt keeper where the story is being told to the audience in a Framing Device. We allow that in.

Also contuing my binge into horror novels. I have another candiate Ill get up later today. Im excited since thats a very famous one that Ill be so happy to have a version of this guy who counts that I ep'd.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#171217: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:44:35 AM

[up] P Md you about it :P

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#171218: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:48:04 AM

@miraculous: Not really? Basically each segment starts with a character wandering around in the streets at night, and then they go into a spooky theater and watch a movie starring themselves, and said film is basically about each character's personal fears playing out in front of them. But considering some of these characters actually die in the movies they're watching, it's evident it didn't actually happen in real life.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#171219: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:49:59 AM

Woah that sounds weird.

Is the film any good?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#171220: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:50:57 AM

I wouldn't mind take Anna if you guys want. Let me see what I can do.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#171221: Jul 6th 2019 at 5:57:32 AM

@miraculous: It's better than a majority of the horror movies that have come out lately. Nothing groundbreaking, mind you, but it's great if you enjoy stuff like The Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, Tales from the Hood, etc. Some segments are better than others, but that's to be expected since it's an anthology.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#171223: Jul 6th 2019 at 6:14:26 AM

[tup] to Lucien

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#171224: Jul 6th 2019 at 6:15:11 AM

@Elfen: Go for it.

And [tup] for Lucien Lacombe.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#171225: Jul 6th 2019 at 6:18:44 AM

No to Dom, High T, and Lucien (I don't think he's bad enough when all he's doing is "helping the Nazis". If he was, say, shooting up prisoners in concentration camps, I could see him counting).

Switching to a no on Hecuba; much like Johnny 23 (though I haven't seen the film), I don't think her attempt to eat the protagonist is focused on enough to establish a pattern.

EDIT: To clarify on Lucien, I just don't think he's active enough in helping the Nazis.

Edited by falcontalons on Jul 6th 2019 at 6:19:56 AM


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