During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
What can I say this.
Site has alot of tropes.
I was even thinking of eventual launching one of my own in Forced Cannibalism. The act of a badguy forcing a character to consume the flesh or blood of there own kind (Admittingly gross but Ive seen it enough and we actually dont have this as a trope).
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I'll give a yes to Jagga. Satan, Living Battery, And I Must Scream, Slavery Is a Special Kind of Evil. Wise...considering he helps Jagga's evil, and is relatively low-tier, I'll give him a yes as well.
What order should they go in?
Will Python Jack be getting effortposted?
Mir, I think you're looking for Autocannibalism.
Autocannibalism is eating yourself.
I meant cases like Roiben and Nincaven (Modern Faerie Tales ) where she forced him to slice the throat of a member of his own species and drink it.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Uh not quite. That requires tricking somone into eating it without them being aware, this would be outright forcing somone into doing it.
I did double check. We oddly....dont have this. Barring the weirdly spefic Familial Cannibalism Surprise
Edited by miraculous on Jul 4th 2019 at 9:40:33 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Mir, I feel like you're being overly specific and anal when you don't need to be. :/
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.Just wanna say despite the finale of the episode was supposed to be aired on Monday, I just recently finished watching an anime called Magmel of the Sea Blue.
Let's just say that the final 3 episodes of that anime just made me pure rage (I know...It's immature right
) to the point I nearly want to destroy my laptop (Don't worry, it's still safe btw). PM me for discussions.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jul 4th 2019 at 11:47:41 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."So, Child's Play (2019). I honestly really liked the movie. I'm by no means a diehard Chucky fan, but I did like how they went with the AI approach and it was also surprisingly funny in places. Though I did have issues with it namely because it could've been named something else since rather than because Don Mancini made a stink about the film before it was released albeit for understandable reasons.
Going into this, this iteration of Chucky I feel doesn't count. One of the chief issues is moral agency. Rather than being possessed by the spirit of a Serial Killer who transferred his soul into a doll, Chucky here was an AI toy doll referred to as a "Buddi." The reason as to why Chucky turns evil in this version is because a disgruntled Vietnamese worker was being egged on by his abusive supervisor and before he was to be fired, he decides to give a final "fuck you" to his boss by removing the safety features of the Buddi doll he was working on before committing suicide.
Because of this, Chucky comes off as not truly understanding that his obsession with protecting Andy by committing murder and violence was bad. This is best exemplified when he killed Andy's pet cat for scratching him and his mother's boyfriend because he took Andy to mean that he wanted him dead (This is for Tupac!). There was also a scene where he reenacts a moment from Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 and grabs a knife and tries to kill Andy's friends because he was reacting pleasurably while watching the film. The film also does the impossible and actually makes you feel kind of bad for Chucky who after accidentally cutting Andy with the knife, he is placed into his room alone, and he had a forlorn look and innocently apologizes to Andy while trying to understand what he did wrong. Unlike in the original film, Chucky here genuinely wants to be Andy's best friend and they actually do have some bonding before Chucky inevitably shifts into his homicidal mode.
While Chucky does become more like his original iteration in the third act by giving the whole If I Can't Have You… spill, he otherwise seems to interpret cutting Andy open and fixing him as beneficial referencing back when he was broken and fixed by the apartment's electrician. All in all, Chucky does not qualify because of the lack of moral agency.
Edited by AustinDR on Jul 4th 2019 at 10:10:05 AM
Okay, Spree Killer's been launched. Here are CM's who can get that pothole:
De-potholings while I'm at it:
- Gamer:
- Ken Castle is a billionaire technology magnate in a dystopian future. He develops an indulge-every-depravity-you-want-short-of-murder game called Society using brainwashed, destitute people as the players' avatars. His second game, Slayers, is a death match where condemned prisoners have to kill each other in an enclosed warzone. If they're running low on participants, Castle will frame them if necessary. If a prisoner can survive 30 rounds they'll be released, but he has no intention of honoring this arrangement and plans to kill anyone who makes it that far. He ultimately wants to brainwash most of the planet to be his slaves and rob them of anything even resembling free will. He takes over Kable's body to force him to slit his little girl's throat. Completely lacking empathy for anyone, he sees people mostly as toys to play with and destroy as he sees fit.
- Hackman is an enormous inmate in Kable's prison who went on a massive killing spree just so he could be locked up and personally participate in the carnage in Slayers. He arranges with Castle to remove the mind control on himself so he has an advantage over the other prisoners and can kill Kable himself. He kills another prisoner for no reason than to show Kable the resulting blood on his hands, and threatens to kill and/or rape Kable's wife and daughter. Through the rest of the film, while working with Castle, Hackman just keeps murdering people, especially innocents, left and right, clearly deriving sadistic joy from all the crimes he commits with his own hands.
Ep time.
So whats the work?'
There's Someone Inside Your House is a horror novel by American author Stephanie Perkins, published in 2017
Makani Young is still adjusting to her new life in the small town of Osborne, one year after her parents sent her away from Hawaii to live with her grandmother in rural Nebraska. Though, she befriends a few friends and even flirts with a romantic interest at Osborne High, she is still haunted by the secrets of her past life. Sometime later, the students at her school die in a series of gruesome murders. As the terror grows closer and the hunt intensifies for the killer, the dark secrets of the past will finally be revealed.[3]
So who is the villain and what has he done?
So David Thurston Ware is a high school student in Osborne. David is throughly bored with the small town though. He doesnt like the idea of the small and quaint place so he plans to make himself famous.....by becoming a Serial Killer. His spree sending pandemomuim into the small town.
Anyway David sets about targetting his fellow students and killing them in ironic and violent ways to match there gifted abilties. Since he views the idea of them being gifted and eventually leaving while he'll be stuck in this boring town to be "unfair". From the top:
- 1st victim: Haley is a talented drama student who he has stalked before having her throat stabbed and mutilated. He then procedes to carve smiley faces into her flesh and eyes using her knife to the point that blood is found in her nostrils.
- 2nd victim: Matt is a star athlete and american football player who plans to take care of and help his mother. David has him stalked and feigns being hurt in order to stab in the stomach and weaken him. He then uses a slegehammer to bash his brains out and remove his head before replacing it with a jack o lantern
- 3rd victim: Rodrigo is David's childhood best friend and an avid gamer. He has him drugged and has his house turned into a horrfic maze so that when he wakes up he'll be terrified. He then stabs him in the back multiple times before multiating and cutting off his hands and since no ones around since the house is desrted porceeds to play video games before leaving.
- 4th victim: Chris is a very religious student , David has him tied up and dragged. His feet and knees were splayed outward. Quoting the book : "His face was on its side, and a swollen tongue protruded out from between his front teeth. The chest and stomach had been mutilated. Long incisions slashed through his blood-drenched band uniform, but, despite the clothing, the unnatural splaying of his limbs made him look more like one of those realistic sex dolls than a human being. It was his body’s complete and utter lack of dignity. But that still wasn’t the worst part. Caleb’s fingers had been laced together, and then his hands had been severed. They rested over his heart in a mocking prayer position. Red gore and white bone.
- 5th victim: Kate Kurtzman is one of the nicest girls in the high school and has big plans to go to college and purse big dreams. David has her stabbed anand then outright guts her ribcage before adding said college broucheres into it as the ultimate mockery.
Anyway after attempting to murder heroine Makani (and her grandmother who was also there) since he despises the idea of her being from another place and the idea that she may get to leave. He spefically targets one of evry clique in the school to avoid detection.
He gets beaten off and goes on the run. Decdining that he plans to become famous for good he stalks back to his town and targets a farmgirl named Rosemarie. She whover turns out to be more of a challege then he expected since she could actually fight and Makani and enages him. Turns out he plans to hand himself to the police later since he'll get all the infamy from this murder spree and hey he will leave this town right since he'll be in maximum secruity prison. His dream of becoming famous complete.
Anyway he and makani enage and she stabs him , finshing his reign. So now he will be stuck in this town forever. As just a corpse on in the ground. ( I love irony. )
No. David doesnt have any excuses. No abuse or bullying. This entire thing amounts to him being pissed at the idea of him being stuck in this small town while others are going to make it big, so he kills them to gain infamy. That is pathetic in every sense of the world.
Other redeeming qualities?
Nope.
Heinous standard?
Only badguy and I think sheer brutality mixed with 5 unique and sadstic kills as well around 3 attempted is enough for a YA badguy. Mixed with sheer pettiness.
Edited by miraculous on Jul 4th 2019 at 10:28:02 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Sure to the above...
As for that iteration of Chucky, shame that he doesn't count but I'm going to give this one a bit of a leeway since I do really like the different approach here even though I can understand why people didn't like it. Both Chucky can be good on their own IMO.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Btw for Spree Killer you did cross-wick right. When a trope is launched. Each of the entries will need to placed on the requiste trope page. For example the entry for apt pupil will need to be placed on apt pupil trope page
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Can we get a quick summary of all the O-Parts Hunter baddies? I know Satan's an obvious keep, and Ikaros has the unique Living Battery thing. EDIT: And Miko has mass And I Must Scream.
Edited by ACW on Jul 4th 2019 at 11:59:31 AM