During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Say do we need to add Zouken onto the Narasuverse tree?
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffHey guys, i’ve been thinking of this one for a while, has Alex from a Clockwork Orange, Film version, been discussed before, he seems like an incredibly vile person, and even though the film wants us to sympathize with him, there’s honestly nothing I can sympathize him with, considering he pretty deserved his time in person, his so called inability to enjoy anything not be a excuse, especially since he shows no remorse, and is still quite a sadist, and the fact he proceeded to rape 10 girls, all of this kinda subverts any sympathy you can have for him. Or at least, that’s what I think, but do you guys think he’s worth a EP?
Hate Sink, my friend.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)Zouken's at Visual Novels; Kiara's at Video Games: 0 to F; the others are/will be at the AniManga page. I know Michael's the Manga version; Celenike's from a Light Novel, as is Uryuu. Zouken started out in the visual novel, but if we add him to the AniManga tree, that could work. Thoughts from people who know the work?
Edited by ACW on Jun 30th 2019 at 3:33:08 PM
"Nope. Clockwork Orange is one of my favorites, but Alex is definately not heinous enough, considering "murder" is not on his list and how the government is even worse."
Isn't Alex a rapist?
was about to Say something like that.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 30th 2019 at 12:38:08 PM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereAlright, the 30th: for Doki Doki Literature Girls, no one qualifies in the Apocalypse arc. The Arc Villain, Anthy, in this case was an anthropomorphized antivirus software that the player sent to delete the game because they were noticing that data was being used up rapidly. Anthy herself had commented once on destroying another game similar to DDLC, but it's Offscreen Villainy. That, and she ultimately resents her job but found it difficult to go against her programming on deleting files. At the end, she is given a chance at making a Heel–Face Turn, and she took it.
I'm about done a Carmilla novelization. I can EP when I'm done but doing so would go against personal standards of mine. It's based on the first season and has an antagonist who doesn't get redeeming/sympathetic qualities until the third.
If you ask me that'd be grasping at straws loophole abuse.
Edited by Beast on Jun 30th 2019 at 3:03:37 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."On Roa's entry, should we specify the entry is for the manga version? It's been a while since I've played through the original Tsukuhime visual novel, but I remember his love for Arcuid being presented as being more genuine. It also seemed to emphasize his Villainous Friendship with Chaos.
Edited by LoreDeluxe on Jun 30th 2019 at 1:31:18 AM
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.I've made that change in the batch
.
Call of Cthulhu is all potholed. Lighty, Scraggle, feel free to play around with the order. I'll hold off on requesting locking.
Now, the Familial Body Snatcher stuff (also de-potholing David):
- Magi: Labyrinth of Magic:
- King David Jehoahz Abraham is the King of Alma Torran of the past and the ruler of the Magicians. As King, David oppresses all non-human species in his empire with magic towers constructed to steal their reason and intellect, turning them into feral, mindless beasts under the control of the human ruling class. Having discovered the form of "Ill Ilah," an Eldritch Abomination known as God, David makes plans to surpass it and take a seat as God himself. When his son Solomon rebels against David's tyranny, David bides his time until Solomon and his allies attack David's capital. David lets them attack a decoy, before leading his magicians in his own entourage to butcher the helpless civilians, including the children. The young son of two of Solomon's closest followers is found hideously burnt and dying, but still alive, begging his mother to save him as he dies in her arms. The one fighter who attempts to stop David is mercilessly slaughtered with nothing short of cold satisfaction. When engaging Solomon, David shows no regret or remorse, proclaiming his grand ambitions and utter megalomania.
- Arba, once one of King Solomon's most beloved followers, fell into depravity when Solomon's will supplanted that of Ill Ilah's. Devoting herself to destroying the kingdom of Alma Torran, Arba founded Al-Thamen, also known as "The Organization", and led an attack on the kingdom, culminating in her personally cutting down her surrogate sister, Solomon's pregnant lover Queen Sheba. Vowing to return to destroy the world Solomon creates anew, Arba manifests in Solomon's new world in the Kou Empire, having children for the purpose of possessing them when her current body is worn out. When she possesses her descendant Gyokuen, Arba murders Gyokuen's husband, Emperor Hakutoku, and his elder two sons, mocking her remaining son Hakuryu, the only son Arba herself gave birth to, for his helplessness in learning the truth. Murdering her second husband to seize the throne, Arba attempts to summon Ill Ilah back into the world to drain it dry of magic and leave it a barren, lifeless husk, devoted only to the will of Ill Ilah and to the destruction of all Solomon has made.
- Jinx High: Fay Harper is a centuries-old sorceress out to empower herself and live as a cruel hedonist. Making pacts with demons, Fay regularly sacrifices innocents to them, feeding them to her "allies" in great numbers for power or fun. Achieving a method of immortality, Fay marries wealthy, handsome men and disposes of all her relations, including her husbands in "accidents" once she has a daughter. When this is achieved, Fay swaps bodies with her daughters and often murders them, with her current daughter trapped in her old body of Rowena, imprisoned in a mental hospital where Fay regularly returns to poison her. Killing people for fun and power, Fay plots to cause a violent orgy with her powers at a school dance, and when caught by Diana, Fay calls forth enough power to try to wipe Tulsa off the map in the ensuing fight.
- Clock Tower 3: Lord Darcy Burroughs was a 17th century landowner who, upon losing his daughter, went into a berserk fury, killing his own wife and over a hundred of his own people. Burroughs also raised the psychotic "Scissor Twins" to torture and kill more people, even demanding village heads execute dozens of their own citizens to appease him. It is revealed Burroughs' daughter Anabel was an intended sacrifice for Burroughs to become a powerful supernatural being known as an Entity. After his physical death, Burroughs reaches out to turn people into murderous, serial-killing Subordinates, and later fuses with his son's sinister descendant Dick Hamilton, the two collaborating to orchestrate the events of the game and sacrifice Dick's granddaughter Alyssa on her fifteenth birthday to achieve the power Burroughs craves at long last.
- Anchorhead: Croesus Verlac is the patriarch of the Verlac family and a man who discovered a dark route to immortality. Long before the story of Anchorhead began, Croseus's physical flesh became dust...but his spirit survives by taking over the bodies of his male descendants and impregnating the female descendants to create new bodies for him to steal later. The power Croseus has over his descendants is represented in the chilling Arc Words: He always returns to his blood. Not content with this, Croseus runs a legacy of dark magic and murder, routinely sacrificing children for power to the point where the well behind the village slaughterhouse is full of the bones of missing children. In the present, Croseus takes control of and possesses the nameless heroine's husband, before setting his plan into motion: to open the gates to the Eldritch Abomination beings he worships and allow them to devour all that lives.
Edited by ACW on Jun 30th 2019 at 4:50:07 AM
Speaking of Familial Body Snatcher.
This entry for Ma'ar of Heralds of Valdemar is kinda lacking for such a wide spanning Big Bad......
- Ma'ar/Mornelithe Falconsbane started as being a Well-Intentioned Extremist, but quickly became the Big Bad, and the final showdown between him and the Big Good Urtho caused the Cataclysm, which was so powerful that it actually echoed through time. Though defeated, he didn't actually die, as he had set up a Grand Theft Me so that he could take over the body of any his descendants once they started showing signs of magical ability, most often when they tried to call up fire. Falconsbane kept doing this over the centuries until finally the main characters in the Mage Winds trilogy figured out what was going on and destroyed him.
Plus his character page if accurate shows this kinda underplyas him
- Bad Boss: He will kill his underlings for their magical power, to relieve his temper, because they're there...
- Blood Magic: "A frequent practitioner" is an understatement; he tends to default to using it simply because killing other people and using their deaths to generate power leaves his personal reserves untapped in case of emergency. And to make examples. And because he enjoys mauling people to death with his bare hands...
- I'm a Humanitarian: Not above eating his blood magic sacrifices. He makes mental note of the "pain-spiced flesh" at one point.
- Mind Rape: One of his favorite pastimes. He's gotten very good at it, and particularly likes combining pleasure and pain. This is noted to be both incredibly effective and incredibly difficult to break simply because doing nearly anything will feed into the mental programming he inflicted.
- Parental Abuse: Falconsbane used Nyara as a prototype for his own physiological alterations (a process that was excruciatingly painful), implanted compulsions so that she would be obedient to him, and twisted her mind so that she loved and loathed him in equal measure for everything he'd done to her.
- Parental Incest: He also used her for sex. Apparently simply because he could.
Yeesh this guy sounds bad.
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Edited by miraculous on Jun 30th 2019 at 2:11:46 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA