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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#170126: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:08:39 AM

Understood. I'll take care of it after I EP the Warlord.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#170128: Jun 29th 2019 at 4:37:32 AM

[tup] to Alpha and Quinn

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Lord of Space
#170131: Jun 29th 2019 at 6:27:34 AM

I wanna propose Henry Miller from the Dayshift at Freddy's series. These are the reasons: Henry is the one who started the murderers in the pizzerias, manipulating William into helping him. While he didn’t cause Jack’s death, when he realized he was dying in a springlock suit, he simply walked away, laughing. Even after his death, Henry’s influence still remains, making him indirectly responsible for all the other murderers. Even if trapped in a void, Henry shows no sign of remorse for his actions. In the evil ending of the third game, he possesses the protagonist, making them kill Dave (saying how he was always a foolish creature easy to manipulate) and then uses Jack to continue showing to the world the “joy of creation”. What makes Henry different from any other character in this parody series is how he acts: always serious, with not even one moment where we could see a bit of humanity in him, he barely even seems a character of this series.

So yeah, this why in my opinion Henry should be considered a CM. It’s up to you guys decide.

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#170132: Jun 29th 2019 at 6:31:46 AM

[up] Please do an effort post. The template for effort posting is provided in this link:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=5693#comment-142309

Edited by Draxterrus on Jun 29th 2019 at 9:33:06 PM

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#170133: Jun 29th 2019 at 6:32:09 AM

EDIT: [up][nja]'d.

Edited by falcontalons on Jun 29th 2019 at 6:32:55 AM

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#170134: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:01:13 AM

[tup] for Thomas Quinn.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#170135: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:10:33 AM

Hey guys, there’s another candidate I want to propose, and that’s Nikolai from the non canon sequel to Madworld, Anarchy Reigns. Has he been discussed before?

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#170136: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:14:57 AM

[up] I tried to search for him, but I couldn't find any discussion of him. Feel free to effort post him if you want to.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#170137: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:16:10 AM

[up][up]All yours.

How does he compare to Noah and Leo?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#170138: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:17:58 AM

[up] Well, I think Anarchy Reigns, being uncanon takes place in a separate continuity so I don’t think he would have to worry about those two.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#170139: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:22:32 AM

Quick question. If a villain has a same crimes as the original though there are several few crimes that made him a bit distinct. Should we merge the writeup or separate it?

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#170140: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:24:20 AM

If it's the same version of said character then yes, but if it's an alternate version but it counts as its own separate continuity.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#170141: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:27:40 AM

[up] Well...

The character I'm referring to is Ming the Merciless actually. Both of his cartoon version and TV Special version got approved. There are several differences on the TV Special like how the world is set in WWII unlike the animated series where it's left ambiguous, how Ming works with Adolf Hitler unlike the animated series, the horrific conditions of the slaves (While its the same in the series, I don't recall that there is a detail of them being eaten) and the difference on the war between the Voltan Kingdom

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#170142: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:40:26 AM

[up] I say separate it.

[down] That works. Though I would go with the show first since it aired before the special, but that's just me.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 29th 2019 at 9:46:10 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#170143: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:40:33 AM

I'd do

  • Ming, crimes in both versions.
    • TV Special (since it actually was created first, even though it aired later)
    • Series (this could go first too)

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#170144: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:49:22 AM

Possible images?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#170145: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:49:53 AM

[up] Honestly, from Wikipedia page? The animated series came out first around 1979 while the movie came around 1982

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#170146: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:53:04 AM

I'll reluctantly say yes to the first image, the other two don't work well in my opinion.

Edited by Draxterrus on Jun 29th 2019 at 10:53:48 PM

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#170147: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:53:39 AM

[up][up][up] I like all of them, but I think the first one probably works the best.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 29th 2019 at 7:54:12 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#170148: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:56:27 AM

I like the first one. But don't think the rest 2 works

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#170150: Jun 29th 2019 at 7:57:24 AM

@ACW: I think only the first image really works.


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