During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Also. By the way. Morning Glories time.
- Morning Glories: In a story full of twists and revelations, the following duo are the worse that the Morning Glories Academy has seen.
- Reginal Gribbs is Georgina Daramount's right hand and the muscle of the school. Loyal to the Morning Glories Academy, Gribbs works with Daramount to bring children to the school, being willing to use physical threats to force their families. When a woman refused to separate her children, Gribbs violently beated her before Daramount burned her house with the woman inside. In the present, Gribbs is introduced allowing a rebellious student to be gruesomly killed for a mysterious being, seeing it as a good signal. Later, when Daramount subjects the teenage protagonists to a potentially fatal Secret Test of Character, Gribbs oposses it due to his desire to simply kill them. Realizing that Casey believes that the academy wouldn't physically hurt her, Gribbs proves her by calling his favorite student and personally strangling him in front of her. Keeping his former friend Abraham captive, Gribbs regularly beats him and tries to force his biological son Ike to kill him by strangling a girl that he believed was Ike's girfriend in front of him. A man that enjoys using violence, Mr. Gribbs is a cruel teacher even by the standards of the Morning Glories Academy
- Ian Simon, while initially introduced as merely a arrogant nerd with a inferiority complex, ultimately ends up being far worse. Furious at his lack of sucess and that his crush Ikiko loved their classmate Fortunato, Ian helps in acts that would endanger reality while intending to use a machine to rewrite reality. ultimately causing a situation that endargers hundreds of students at least. Jealous at a injured Fortunato, Ian sends one of his clones to brutally beat him to death, insulting his faith and promising to erase him from existence. When Ikiko is shocked for his actions, Ian tries to calm her before another of his clones strangle her. Apathetic at having killed his supposed love, Ian continues his experiment, uncaring of anything but his own wishes.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jun 28th 2019 at 11:55:28 AM
Watch me destroying my country
Alpha and Kenta
What is the work? Deathwatch is a 2002 Genre-Busting Psychological Horror film that's basically Silent Hill meets World War I. The story follows a group of British soldiers in the Western Front who find themselves behind enemy lines, however, everything is wrong. After a mysterious fog descends upon The Squad in the middle of a battle, the night turns into day and they find trenches filled with the corpses of German soldiers... killed by friendly fire; not only that but the trenches were converted into a maze that leads nowhere. Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory ensues. Most of the soldiers act violently out of paranoia or supernatural influences, but one of them doesn't need an excuse to be evil.
Who is he? Thomas Quinn, portrayed by Andy Serkis aka Gollum, is a British Army private and the group's Psycho Party Member. A sadistic man with serious anger issues and a perpetual Evil Grin who confessed to have been a murderer even before the war started, Quinn killed a man in the city of Blackpool and enjoyed the experience, admittedly loving war because it gives him a chance to murder more people; he's always seen wearing a fur coat, which is implied to be Genuine Human Hide. In his introduction, Quinn is enthusiastically shouting at the German soldiers and warning them that there is a "warrior" coming, eagerly participating in the battle. After the group find the mysterious German trenches and three frightened survivors who quickly surrender, Quinn's first reaction is to shoot at the men, killing one of them; Quinn would later find a spiked club, keeping it in his possession, which can only mean bad news for everyone. Minutes later, the group encounter the second German soldier, who had previously escaped from Quinn's sadism.
Quinn excitingly gives him two options: He could either be shoot to death or get bludgeoned with his club, Quinn ends up simply shooting him but tries to scalp the man before he is stopped by a commanding officer. The third German soldier, Friedrich, is taken prisoner and interrogated when one of the British soldiers is found dead, Quinn violently slaps and strangles him while saying that he would like to wrap him around barbed wire and squeeze him until he's nothing but little pieces; our hero on the other hand, Private Charlie Shakespeare, calmly asks him questions. When a captain points a gun at one of the soldiers, Quinn goes into an apparent out-of-character moment and convinces the captain to give him the gun... only to beat him with it and then kicki him for "having no manners". Morning arrives and Quinn crucifies Friedrich, torturing him by beating his spiked club against Friedrich's chest; the captain tries to reason with Quinn and he proceeds to beat again him while ranting about what he hates the most: the officers; he then concludes by repeatedly stabbing the captain to death.
The sergeant confronts Quinn and the two fight: Quinn gets the upper hand and throws his opponent at barbed wire, trapping him; the sergeant argues that there has been enough killing and how the place is making them kill each other, to which he responds with "There is nothing make me kill you". After the sergeant begs for Quinn not to kill him because he has children waiting for him at home, Quinn hesitates for a brief moment and then bludgeons him with his spiked club anyway. Disgusted by Quinn's actions, Shakespeare calls him an "animal" and points his gun at him, Quinn mocks the empathic Shakespeare for being a "coward" and shows zero remorse for his war crimes. Karma proves to be a bitch as living barbed wire emerge from the ground and penetrate Quinn's body, forcing Shakespeare to shoot him in an act of mercy, something that Quinn definately lacked.
Mitigating Factors? I should probably include the movie's Gainax Ending here: After falling down a pit, Shakespeare sees his deceased compatriots, Quinn included, sitting by a bonfire and behaving normally like nothing had happened; Shakespeare then realizes that another version of himself is with them, the group then stare at the real Shakespeare. Oh shit Shakespeare is dead and now they are all in hell? Nope, that was just an hallucination and Shakespeare escapes from the cave. Friedrich appears, speaking in perfect english and revealing himself to be an angel/demon who tests the morality of people and decides if they are worthy of escaping or not; Shakespeare won and Friedrich points towards a ladder. Shakespeare is finally out of the trenches and walks towards the fog before disappearing, did he figuratively ascend to heaven? Or is he just going back to our reality as it was the fog that brought them to the trenches in the first place? These questions are left unanswered, but Friedrich stays behind, seemingly laying dormant and waking up only after hearing the voices of another British platoon. Yup, Here We Go Again!
Heinous? As the psychopath responsible for several war crimes and the living representation of War Is Glorious, Quinn is the exact opposite of what Friedrich wanted: A man that feels no shame for being evil and is quick to harm others to satisfy his own Lack of Empathy. Quinn could never win Friedrich's test of morality... because he had none.
Conclusion? Despite what Rotten Tomatoes has to say, i loved this film and Andy's portrayal of a Sociopathic Soldier. Leaving this one for you guys to decide.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jun 29th 2019 at 5:35:00 AM
Sallinger. So we finally have a street-tier CM WITHOUT any powers.
Alpha.
Quinn. Andy Serkis finally got a CM!
Quinn.
@ Pure Grain Alka Seltzer Really? Wait until I EP the Warlord then...
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jun 29th 2019 at 12:56:10 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)

Yea there and oh, yeah, no keepers in Shaft.