During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
tell me about it. Reminds me of the time I got someone from South Park, Leslie Meyers, to qualify as a Magnificent Bastard. However Leslie was recently cut due recent info but It was a great feeling while it lasted
Edited by G-Editor on Jun 20th 2019 at 6:12:26 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff@Trashman Fine with the rewrite I guess.
@G-Editor I saved my Clyde the Jackal writeup on my discord server but sadly its 14 words longer compared to Infinite's current writeup and I need to found how to trim his writeup and explaining his important ones.
And yes, writeups will be posted around Sunday when I'm done proposing some new candidates
And yea to candidates I missed especially Skeletor
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jun 20th 2019 at 11:39:41 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."@RJ
Belive it or not, that's not the reason Leslie was D Qed as an MB, it was completely separate stuff, namely her True Persoanlty lacking real charm.. Its weird, it's like if they had a villain who was played Serisouly and was God knows how Heinous enough(Maybe If they had a Lord Drakkon Esqe Multiverse destroyer) But wasn't a CM Cause they had a Pet the Dog moment.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 20th 2019 at 10:26:49 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereAfter seeing AK 42's comment, change my mind on the rewrite for Lotso
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."@Hamburtime: Yes, he is. He's also interesting in that it wasn't just a single thing to put him over the top, but a series of horrible actions slowly trickled out over the last 16 years since the show came out in 2003.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.I have another candidate: The Joker from The Nail:
What does he do?
Acquiring high powered gauntlets from Jimmy Olsen, Joker uses his new toys to break into Arkham and show the other villains who's in charge now. After murdering an innocent doctor, Joker gathers the inmates and demands that they obey him. When a number of inmates including Killer Croc and Clayface challenge him, he kills them all, displaying his new power to the inmates. He than forces the remaining inmates to fight each other, stating that the last one standing will get to live and become his slave. Catwoman is the last one standing, but of course refuses and attacks him, so Joker knocks her out. Batman arrives, but Joker easily overpowers him with his gauntlets. Joker than subdues Batgirl and Robin and forces Batman to watch as he slowly tears the two teen heroes apart-literally. All the while Batman is screaming and begging Joker to stop. As Joker mocks Batman about their deaths, Catwoman wakes up and sees what he did. disgusted and enraged with what he did to two young teens, she sucker punches Joker. Though Joker knocks her out again, this distraction manages to free Batman from the paralyzing effect of the gauntlets, and he attacks the Joker in a rage, eventually killing him by snapping his neck.
Heinousness?
He murders an innocent doctor, kills Croc, Clayface, and several other inmates when they refuse to let him lord over them, forces the remaining ones to fight for his amusement, promising that the last one standing lives to be his slave, which also implies he was going to kill all the losers, and forces Batman to watch as he murders Batgirl and Robin by slowly tearing them apart.
He doesn't reach the levels of Olsen or Darkseid, but he does plenty enough for someone at his tier.
Redeeming Features, Freudian Excuse, or mitigating factors?
Nothing.
jjjI don't think Joker's heinous enough for this trope. Yes, I have read the comic and considered Joker a bit but no...Don't feeling it. If I got outvoted, I'm fine with it
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:19:07 AM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Hmmm let me see what ~Scraggle thinks of him.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."@Klavice
I...don't think we should hold every superhero work by that standard.
The thing about him forcing batman to watch him tear 2 teenagers apart, on top of the other crimes sounds like it pushes him over the edge. Tentative
there
Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 21st 2019 at 12:37:46 PM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereI know another quote regarding Bill Cipher and his Complete Monster status
"To Bill, it's just a game, but to us, it would mean the end of our world." - Stanford Pines on Bill Cipher in Gravity Falls
Gotta think on Joker.
New proposal, from Nazi Overlord.
Who's the candidate?
Dr. India Eris, a British scientist who defected to the Nazis.
What does she do?
Tasked with making a bioweapon, Eris concocts a scheme to acquire test subjects. She has the Reich fake a kidnapping, knowing that the Allies will try to rescue her. She nets herself four different units of men, all of whom are tortured and experimented on until their bodies give out. Of course, she doesn't just use them. To get a variety of subjects, she has the Germans kidnap civilians near their research base, including children.
When a fifth unit, lead by Captain Adam Rogers, comes to save Eris, she pretends to be a victim using her imprisonment to drive her captors off track by messing with experiments, only to play the whole unit into being captured. She then reveals to them exactly what she's getting up to: Making a Synthetic Plague that causes such extreme hunger that men are compulsed to eat each other, whoch she intends to spread amongst the world to make the "impure races" eat each other alive. She decides to force our heroes to watch her experiments with trabsferring the plsgue via bugs, which thus far have lead to nothing but the victims' bodies exploding.
Eris manages to succesfully make herself immune, clinching the final step in the process. She then heads off to order her men to dustribute the vaccine across the Aryans and then drop planes of the bugs on key cities to start the Zombie Apocalypse. She then orders one of her goons to kill all of her captives except Rogers, in an act of Cruel Mercy and Exact Words. However, Rogers manages to escape, so Eris frees the zombies from their cage to eat them all. The dead are defeated, but some of them manage to tear Eris's throat out beforehand. The last two surviving soldiers manage to prevent the planes from flying and destroy the bugs. Woo-hoo, yay...
Except Eris had a failsafe. While Rogers was unconscious, she had placed some of the bugs in him. He doesn't notice until it's too late, and the zombie plague cobsumes the Earth.
Yep, The Bad Guy Wins.
Heinousness?
Big Bad, sets it.
Mitigating factors?
She claims to be opposed to the Holocaust and environmental destruction, but A.) Her experiments are just as vile, B.) She views the death camps as a waste of experiments, and C.) She only brings up the environmentalism to claim that her foes are hypocrites. Not buying it at all. Related to the latter, she does talk aweetly to her bugs, but also explicitly states that she sees all things as toys to amuse her and then be disposed of.
Verdict?
. First CM for Dominique Swain?
Here is the EP for ‘’Dark Phoenix’’:
What is the Work?
‘’Dark Phoenix’’ is the Grand Finale to the X-Men Film Series and another stab at adapting the The Dark Phoenix Saga, where Jean Grey (Sophie Turner), one of the most prominent X-Men, is exposed to an extremely powerful cosmic force known as the Phoenix and loses control of her powers.
Who is the Candidate and What Do They Do?’’’
Vuk, played by Jessica Chastain, is the leader of the D’Bari Empire, a race of shape-shifting aliens. The Phoenix Force destroyed their homeworld and Vuk and the rest of the D’Bari have been following it for some time, hoping to control it.
After tracking the Phoenix to Earth, Vuk makes her first appearance when the D’Bari land during the night. Vuk lures and kills a woman named Margaret (and her dog) offscreen, then returns to the table and kills Margaret’s husband by touching his chest and stopping his heart. Vuk then meets with her dragon Jones who has gathered the rest of the D’Bari. Vuk briefly bemoans that this is the last of their race and they’ll find a new home... after killing everyone else on it.
After Jean wrecks the town of Red Hook, New York (where she had lived before joining Xavier’s school) and accidentally kills Mystique, Vuk visits Jean’s father and asks him, in the guise of a government agent, about Jean’s whereabouts, then kills him by crushing his chest, remarking that it’s harder to understand someone when they’re screaming. Vuk finds Jean in a bar (after Jean took a side trip to Genosha and got into a fight with the army), takes her back to a hotel, and explains the Phoenix Force to her, to embrace it and she doesn’t have to worry about other peoples’ morality because of her power.
The X-Men and Magneto’s comrades arrive at the hotel and brawl in the street. Magneto and Professor X separately make their way inside. Magneto is easily defeated by Jean, but Professor X gets Jean to read his memories and gets her former personality to resurface. Remorseful, Jean asks Vuk to take the Phoenix away from her... which was Vuk’s plan all along, to get Jean so unstable that she’d give up the Phoenix Force willingly, absorb the Phoenix Force from her, which would kill Jean. Professor X realizes that Vuk intends to use the Phoenix Force to kill everyone on the planet, to which Vuk replies with a Blunt "Yes". Cyclops arrives and shoots Vuk, which prevents her from absorbing all of the Phoenix, and forces her to flee. The government captures all the mutants and puts them on a train for internment (Jean’s actions at Genosha has severely deteriorated human-mutant relations). However, Vuk and the D’Bari attack the train, intending to take the rest of the Phoenix Force and kill everyone onboard. Most of the D’Bari are killed before Vuk uses the Phoenix Force to defeat most of the mutants. Professor X manages to confer with Jean, who saves the remaining mutants and kills the remaining D’Bari. Grabbing Vuk, Jean takes back the rest of the Phoenix, tells Vuk that “[she] can have it”, then uses the Phoenix to vaporize Vuk and flies away into space.
Freudian Excuse or Mitigating Circumstances?’’’
Not really. Despite all her talk about getting a new world, she’s unconcerned with committing genocide to do it and it comes off as more an Alien Invasion, with the Phoenix Force as a means to wipe out the entire planet. She shows no care for anyone else and everyone is just a tool to her, particularly Jean.
Heinousness?’’’
Now this is up for debate. We’ve had plenty of people with the intention of wiping the Earth clean so to speak; this comes from another direction: Space. However, bear in mind that Vuk was already the leader of an Empire beforehand, with invasive intentions, and wants to wipe out everyone, unlike Apocalyse and Sebastian Shaw who weren’t picky about who survived.
Verdict?
One
. Just enough personality to throw off mitigating circumstances and GDV, a sociopathic demeanor (she’s listed as such on the main page), and genocidal intentions along with her forces piling up a body count of civilians and soldiers alike (her personal body count is 3) leave the possibility for one final CM for the X-Men Film Series.
Edited by k410ren on Nov 27th 2020 at 2:08:31 PM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
to Vuk.
As in What The Vuk were they thinking when they chose to adapt one of the most obscure comic villains Ever(And wasn't even involved in the x men, Vuk was a captain America villain) for the Grand Finale for the series? Like, I get this was originally meant to start a trilogy but isn't that what the reboots were for? To change it so it was a more fitting finale?
Anyways. I kinds feel bad for Sophie Turner, to be in another Extrmely disappointing finale to a popular franchise in the same year as GOT Season 8, she deserves better.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 21st 2019 at 3:53:35 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around here

I've been pretty busy this week so I'll try to get Jonas written up tomorrow. I still want to say that he was probably my favorite candidate I've done so far. There's something about finally getting an Adult Swim candidate up that makes me feel so giddy.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.