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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Western Animation film de-potholings (I've included the ones that didn't need a change as well):
- Adventures In Zambezia: Budzo is a ravenous monitor lizard with a taste for bird eggs. In the past, he tore off Chief Sekhuru's wing and killed Amaya, Tendai's wife and Kai's mother, while trying to devour an egg, causing Tendai to abandon Zambezia in grief. Losing his claw in the battle, he vows revenge upon Zambezia. When he returns, he aligns with the Marabos, convincing them to kidnap the Weavers before he captures Tendai, using him as a hostage to force the Weavers to build him a bridge. Once it is completed, he turns on the Marabos and leaves them to be devoured by his lizard army while he storms Zambezia, intent on taking over as a tyrant and devouring their eggs. Arrogant and malicious, Budzo displays nothing but sadistic glee at his crimes, causally dismissing them without a second thought, and is treated with fear and contempt by every other character.
- The Amazing Adventures of the Living Corpse: Dr. Brainchild is a Mad Scientist seeking to resurrect the dead. To test out his serum, he drops it in random cemeteries. When the ensuing zombies kill people, Brainchild takes any kids who survive to a secret boarding school until they're ready to be trained in the Creature-Hunter Organization he made to gather info, not caring how many of them get killed in the process. Brainchild eventually realizes that his zombies aren't as intelligent because they aren't fresh enough, so he kills his top assistant to test his theory, eventually having all of his soldiers purged to make an army of the dead.
- An American Tail: Warren T. Cat, the greedy leader of the Mott Street Maulers, holds the downtrodden mice of New York in a chokehold, forcing them to pay him off under the guise of "Warren T. Rat" while secretly having his cats pick off a mouse every once and a while to keep them terrified and under control. When Warren stumbles upon the innocent orphan Fievel Mousekewitz in his introductory scene, Warren manipulates him into his clutches and then tosses him to the hold of a cruel sweatshop for a quick fifty cents, sneering "you don't need a family anymore—you got a job!" When the mice finally stand up to Warren's manipulations, Warren simply decides to cut his losses and tries to burn them all alive with a sick laugh.
- Antz: General Mandible is a megalomaniac ant soldier who views worker ants as inferior vermin and soldiers as superior. He manipulates the Queen into rejecting peace negotiations with a hostile colony of Termites and sends all the soldiers loyal to her on a suicide mission to attack the Termites and secure his power. Both sides are destroyed in the fight except for a single ant named Z, which irritates him to no end. He engineers a new dig for the miners so they will hit a water source that will drown every ant in the colony including the Queen, except for his small faction of army loyalists who will be blindly obedient to him. He tortures Z's best friend Weaver to find Princess Bala after Z took her away, threatens to kill Weaver's girlfriend if he doesn't comply, then orders Z killed seconds after he promised not to do so and arranges Weaver's death as well. To start his new ideal colony he plans to force Princess Bala to marry him after he has killed her mother and everyone else.
- Astro Boy: President Stone, at first seeming to be nothing more than an impulsive and childish leader, is slowly revealed to be far more wicked. Stone commissions Doctors Tenma and Elefun to build him a super robot, known as The Peacekeeper, and plans to use it to wage war with the harmless Surface-Dwellers. Despite the scientists' pleas, Stone uploads a highly dangerous power source into The Peacekeeper, resulting in the death of Tenma's son, an accident Stone barely acknowledges. Learning Tenma rebuilt his son as a robot and used another highly effective power source to give him life, Stone tries to capture or kill the boy to extract the power source, causing copious amounts of destruction to the city in the process. After detaining the child, now known as "Astro," Stone strong-arms Tenma into removing his power core, which would kill the boy. When Tenma refuses, leading to Astro escaping, Stone orders both Tenma and Elefun arrested and plans to have them executed. Stone then reactivates and takes control of The Peacekeeper, starts destroying the city looking for Astro, and prepares to crush several of Astro's friends, all children, trying to draw him out. Doing everything in the hopes that he would be re-elected, Stone was power-hungry, delusional, and sociopathic for an ultimately petty reason.
- Balto: Steele starts out as a Jerk Jock before becoming far worse, Driven by Envy at Balto being placed on his sleigh team. Angrily trying to sabotage their efforts to get medicine delivered to sick children, Steele spitefully tries to make them lose their way on the path to the village, uncaring for the lives of the dogs or kids. Returning to the village on his own, Steele claims his teammates died in a blizzard while he was unable to save them, caring nothing for anything save his own glory.
- Barnyard: Dag is the sadistic leader of a pack of coyotes. Unlike the other coyotes who kill for food, he seems to enjoy killing his victims more than eating them. This is shown when he shows a group of chickens his chain which has severed chicken legs on it. When faced with Otis's father Ben, he murders him and then shames Otis by telling him that his father would've survived had he been there for him. He then makes a compromise with Otis that stated that he and his pack of coyotes could get a couple of animals every night, and if Otis didn't comply, Dag and his coyotes would personally slaughter everything in the farm that Otis held dear, including possibly the farmer. This deal was just a trick to keep Otis busy while he and his pack kidnap the hens as well as the chick Maddy. He then tries to spitefully eat the latter, just because she called him a "meaner". Murderous and needlessly cruel, Dag is seemingly out of place in an otherwise lighthearted film.
- The Boxtrolls: Archibald Snatcher is a self-styled Boxtroll exterminator who, while initially appearing to be eccentric and goofy, reveals himself as something far more unhinged as the story runs its course. Envying the lifestyles of the elite "White Hats" Snatcher drives forth a campaign to eliminate every Boxtroll in Cheesebridge to motivate the White Hats into letting him join higher society. Ten years prior to the main plot, Snatcher is shown attempting to extort something out of the father of the-then infant Eggs by threatening the baby's life; when Eggs's father refuses to cooperate with his demands, Snatcher apparently kills him with a wrench—in actuality keeping the man under locks until he was Driven to Madness. Snatcher later obliterates the Boxtrolls' home and gleefully attempts to crush them en masse while forcing Eggs to watch, and shortly after dresses the boy as a Boxtroll and then attempts to burn him alive in his attempt to endear himself to the White Hats. Shown at various times as a self-concerned megalomaniac who would willingly try to kill children to further his goals, Snatcher really stands out in such a lighthearted movie.
- The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury: Antonia Chillingsworth is the commander of the mercenary vessel the Kublai Khan. She's obsessed with the art of killing and death, collecting dozens of notorious fighters as part of her private collection of living statues. In this state they are almost completely frozen while conscious the whole time and trapped in an inescapable nightmare for what seems like centuries. She callously sacrifices her crew members to see Riddick's skill at killing; her only concern is that they were overpaid. Before adding Riddick to her collection she throws him and his friends in a fighting pit with people-eating monsters for her own amusement. She's horrible enough to disgust even Riddick.
- The Condor: Corrupt company partner Nigel Harrington and his mercenary, Taipan, are a despicable, greedy duo who kidnap the homeless and use Nigel's company chips to mentally enslave them. Giving them enhanced abilities, Nigel and Taipan have them commit crimes to test the chip, not caring that the chips burn their hearts out and kill them. Wishing for stronger test subjects, Nigel has Taipan kidnap skateboard enthusiasts, repeating the enslavement process on them. Upon his scheme being discovered by his business partners, Nigel has his mind-controlled pawns kill them to cover his secret. Luring his partners' son, Tony Valdez, to the scene of the crime, Nigel has him beaten and crippled; Taipan going on to manipulate Tony's cousin into setting Tony's house on fire. Attempting to sell their technology to terrorists, they do not care how it is used, as long as they profit. Having no loyalty to one another, Taipan kills Nigel to keep all the money herself.
- Delgo: Empress Sedessa is the genocidal monarch of the Ando wastelands, and a vengeful exile of the Nohrin royal family. During her time among the Nohrin, Sedessa conceived a brutal war among the Lockni people after the Nohrin were denied land, ordering massacres of entire villages with orders to "leave no survivors", despite King Zahn's wish to parley with the Lockni, as Sedessa viewed them as savages despite their peaceful nature. After King Zahn strips Sedessa of her royal rank, Sedessa gets revenge by attempting to poison him and the Queen in their sleep, succeeding in murdering the Queen, resulting in her exile and the removal of her wings. Fifteen years later, Sedessa moves to restart the war between the Lockni and the Nohrin, seeking to wipe out the Lockni and seize the Nohrin kingdom herself. Throughout the plot, Sedessa shows gratification in harming whomever she can, taking pleasure in attempting to sever the wings of Zahn's young daughter Kyla and cruelly mocking her about her dead mother. She shows no compunction in disposing of those who have no use to her, like the ruling members of the Ando—whom she kills even in spite of the fact that they saved her upon her exile—and attempts to stab Delgo the moment he turns his back after saving her life, having no remorse for her actions during her fifteen years of exile. Even her own loyal commander Raius is implied to be disposable to her, and Sedessa ultimately dies a vain, selfish outcast whose brutal campaign cost countless lives.
- Dragons: Fire & Ice: The immortal wizard Xenoz was once the ambassador between the peaceful Dragons and the war-mongering human kingdoms of Draigar and Norvagen. However, his lust for power drove him to murder the Dragon Queen and steal her Ice Crystal. When the Dragon King Thoron attempted to murder him for this betrayal, Xenoz was scarred by Thoron's fire, and as such, developed a seething hatred for all of Dragon kind, and sought to annihilate the entire species through any means possible. Using his position, Xenoz ensures the war between Draigar and Norvagen continues for centuries to follow, framing each kingdom for the deaths of the other's Dragons, when in reality, Xenoz himself was hunting down and murdering them one by one, then feeding their remains to his army of monstrous Vorgans. After painfully tearing the power of an amazing Dragon crystal out of Prince Dev and Princess Kyra, Xenoz kicks his own second-in-command to his death, before opening a portal to Dragon World, where he plans to unleash the power of all his magic at once in hopes of wiping out all Dragons. Defined by his disproportionate hatred and lust for power, Xenoz cared for nothing and nobody but himself and his own pride, and would kill anyone who jeopardized either of them.
- Fire & Ice: Nekron is the Sorcerous Overlord of the lands of ice. He begins the film by magically expanding the glaciers of his realm to literally crush those who stand in his way while slaughtering their villages with the glaciers and the spears of his sub-human followers. Seeking to force the King of the only resisting kingdom Jarol to submit, Nekron's mother Julianna kidnaps Jarol's daughter and has her brought to Nekron. Nekron angrily informs Julianna, who had expected Nekron to breed with her, that if his mother brings him any more "little sluts", he'll kill her himself. When Teegra's brother tries to rescue her, Nekron, while sneering "pigs you are, and like pigs you shall die", uses his magic to force the prince to kill his comrades, before the prince commits suicide. When Larn infiltrates his sanctum, Nekron gets utter delight from beating the warrior down himself and even has him taken away to be healed and rested so Nekron can enjoy crushing him again.
- The Flight Before Christmas: Black Wolf, the alpha of a bloodthirsty pack of wolves, begins the movie attempting to kill and eat the young Niko. Black Wolf, stressing over the lack of food, attacks a completely harmless poodle who strays into his territory; the poodle accidentally gives Black Wolf the idea to kill and eat Santa Claus and his reindeer. Black Wolf then gets the idea to pose as Santa's reindeer in the process so he and his pack could sneak into the houses of humans. The plan was to slaughter every child in the world to curb his hunger. Black Wolf tracks the reindeer down, proclaims himself the new Santa Claus, and prepares to eat the reindeer. Interrupted by Niko, Black Wolf attempts to murder him too out of frustration, going as far to pursue him on top of a flying sleigh miles in the air. Even as he fell death, Black Wolf tries to drag Niko's best friend Julius down with him, stating his joy that at least he wouldn't die hungry.
- The Flight of Dragons has both the Big Bad and his (literal) Dragon:
- Ommadon the Red Wizard, furious with his three brothers' decision to create the Last Realm of Magic, decides to see them die as his dark magic reigns. Ommadon eloquently describes his plan to destroy humanity, to infest them with greed and spite and make them turn against each other, driving humanity lower into their worst excesses until they all perish in nuclear war. Ommadon sends monsters and spells to destroy Carolinus's chosen heroes through madness, despair, and even the slaughter of the innocent, eventually opting to simply have his devil dragon Bryagh massacre them all with no relent. Ommadon gleefully makes himself the host to the entirety of the world's evil to finally cow and destroy the scientist Peter Dickinson after all else who can stand against him have been slaughtered, believing that he himself is nothing less than the world.
- The aforementioned Bryagh is Ommadon's crimson steed and a bloodthirsty sadist in the skin of a dragon with a mind for violence. Bryagh cultivated a rivalry with Sir Orrin that lasts into the present day when Orrin came afoul of Bryagh devouring a nest full of the eggs of his own kind, resurfacing years later to aid Ommadon in destroying humanity itself and even trying to spitefully drop Peter Dickson to his death against Ommadon's orders. Bryagh relishes the prospect of having his legions "attack, demolish, devour, burn, and grind" his enemies, slaughtering the heroes one after another in the final battle and even pausing his assault solely to sadistically laugh in Orrin's face as he mourns his fallen love Danielle, dying soon after in a Mutual Kill with the knight.
- Gisaku: Gorkan is the demonic mastermind of all the evil in the story. A devil who rules over his dimension of demons with an iron fist, Gorkan arrives on Earth and immediately massacres several samurai who try to stop him, before attempting to unleash his armies of demons onto the planet to plunge the world into a living Hell. Though thwarted in this, Gorkan escaped and spent centuries building himself a criminal empire that he used to hide his evil activities, notably mutating a lynx into a half-human hybrid after making a deal with him to save his race, leaving him an outcast by both humans and his fellow lynxes. In the present, Gorkan is an absolutely dreadful excuse for an employer, brutally melting, crushing, and snapping in two his own minions for the smallest slights, from failure to simply stating the fact of a temporary setback. In the end, Gorkan tries once more to unleash his demonic forces onto Earth, and takes the time to viciously twist one of his soldiers into a ball when the man slightly annoys him.
- Hellboy Animated: Blood and Iron: Erzsebet Ondrushko is an evil countess based on the infamous Elizabeth Báthory. Consumed by her vanity and wishing to stay young and beautiful forever, Ondrushko sold her soul to Hecate, the Greek Goddess of Witches. In return, Hecate transformed Ondrushko into a vampire and gave her the power to rejuvenate her body if she bathes in the blood of young women; she is said to have murdered over a thousand people in her quest to remain young. Through a series of flashbacks, we see Ondrushko take over a dress shop, by murdering the shop owner and her infant child, to lure in and kidnap a young girl named Anna. Anna's fiancé gathers a rescue party, including a young Professor Broom, which goes to Ondrushko's castle, which is filled with torture devices and the bodies of young women. Finding Anna drained of blood, they kill her to prevent her from becoming a vampire as well. Ondrushko kills most of the rescue party, but Bloom manages to kill her. Though her body died, her evil spirit remained. Sixty years later, the BPRD is sent to investigate a supposed haunted mansion, which is in fact haunted by the souls of Ondrushko's many victims. Ondrushko's minions resurrect her and she bathes in the blood in the mansion's owner to rejuvenate herself.
- How to Train Your Dragon 2: Drago Bludvist is an unfeeling madman who seeks to take over Berk. Having lost his village and family to dragons when he was younger, Drago subverts a Freudian Excuse by becoming exactly like the ones who he sought revenge against and using fear to dominate anyone in his path. Prior to the plot, Drago came to a chieftain's meeting and offered to drive away the dragons if they would kneel to him. When they declined, Drago responds by burning them alive and leaving no survivors but Stoick, Hiccup's father. In the current, Drago raises a dragon army, led by a Bewilderbeast he abused into loyalty, and attempts to execute his right-hand man for failing him, as well as the other dragon riders he brought with him. Drago enslaves the dragons living under Valka's care and kills their Alpha to assert his power. Drago even hypnotizes the loyal Toothless to fire on his own master, Hiccup, and simply scoffs when Stoick takes the blast. He then proceeds to raze Berk with his new-found army, taking no prisoners.
- Lady Death: The Motion Picture: Lucifer is the Lord of Hell who comes to Earth in human form under the name of Mathias. Establishing himself as a tyrant at 15th century Sweden, Mathias forces his villagers—including a young boy—to join his army under the pretense on fighting for God. He then confines his daughter, Hope, to his castle after her lover, Niccolo, refuses to join Mathias's army. It was revealed that the innocent villagers—including Niccolo—were kidnapped and murdered by Mathias so that he could damn their souls to Hell. When an angry mob storms his castle, Mathias reveals his true form and kills most of the angry mob while leaving his daughter to be burned at the stake. After Hope's soul descends to Hell, Lucifer initially offers Hope to join his side while keeping his wife and Niccolo's tormented souls alive in containment, and after Hope refuses, he then kicks her out of the window. During the final battle, Lucifer then sends the frail and weak Niccolo to fight against his daughter.
- Osmosis Jones: Thrax is a deadly virus who is obsessed with infamy and making his name known in the medical books. To this end, Thrax infiltrates human after human and slowly kills them through an agonizing fever—one of his victims a little girl who "didn't like to wash her hands"—which comes with the consequence of killing both the human and every living organism inside of them. Upon invading the body of Francis "Frank" DiTorre, Thrax introduces himself by burning a cell unfortunate enough to cross him from the inside out whilst humming, and cuts clean through a local crime boss to cow his flunkies into serving him. Thrax sets about murdering whomever comes in his way and burns his own flunkies to death after they suggest incubating, ultimately nearly succeeding in dooming Frank and gloating to hero Osmosis Jones that he intends on breaking his record on Frank's young daughter Shane.
- Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night: The Emperor of the Night is the cruel ruler of a nightmarish dimension, who gains power by trapping souls in his domain, while weakening the Blue Fairy enough so that he can destroy her. Working through his vile human henchman, Puppetino, they lure and tempt numerous victims into signing away their freedoms, and turn them into lifeless puppets for all eternity; one of the countless puppets trapped in the empire of the night includes a woman holding her baby. The Emperor soon targets Pinocchio as his next victim, and has Puppetino lure Pinocchio with a little girl they captured and turned into a puppet. Using magic from his master, Puppetino then transforms Pinocchio into a lifeless puppet, but not before torturing Pinocchio for his amusement. When Pinocchio is freed by the Blue Fairy, the Emperor manipulates Pinocchio and his friends into entering his domain. He uses Gepetto as his hostage, in order to coerce Pinocchio into signing away his freedom willingly, so that the Blue Fairy cannot save him. Pinocchio submits as long as his friends and father go free, until the Emperor orders Puppetino to take them all into the dungeon anyway. Once Pinocchio fights back, the Emperor smites Puppetino for his cowardice, and threatens to harm Gepetto if Pinocchio does not obey.
- Rainbow Brite and the Star Stealer: The Dark Princess is the most petty and vile enemy that Rainbow Brite ever encountered. Motivated solely by greed, the Dark Princess enslaved innocent races to tow the diamond planet Spectra out of its foundation to her castle. Despite having been informed that this may cause entire universe to be starved of light and freeze, ensuring trillions of deaths, the Dark Princess still continues with her plan. When she was foiled, she attempts to ram her ship into Spectra and shatter it out of spite.
- Ratchet & Clank (2016): Dr. Nefarious is a much darker character than in the original series. Starting off as Drek's engineer, Nefarious built the Deplanetizer that allowed Drek to destroy planets and use their land masses to build his new world. After the pair destroy Novalis and five other planets, Nefarious betrays Drek and takes over his operation, intending to destroy Umbris, a volatile planet which could set off a chain reaction and destroy the entire solar system. When he hears that Ratchet and Clank are thwarting the attempt to destroy Umbris, Nefarious goes to stop them himself and ensure Umbris's destruction, despite knowing he'd die too.
- Rock & Rule: The aging, utterly self-absorbed rock singer Mok Swagger intends to use the powers of an otherworldly demon to destroy his loyal fans for the crime of not loving him enough. Mok forces the female lead Angel to sing the song through which he intends to summon the demon by torturing her bandmates, threatening to kill them before her and smirking when he sees the torture leaves them as drooling vegetables. His first attempt to summon the demon foiled, Mok finally uses Angel's voice to summon the horrible demon onto a packed crowd at his own concert, gleefully watching it devour his fans and apathetic even when the demon kills one of his loyal minions.
- Ronal the Barbarian: Volcazar is an Evil Overlord obsessed with raising the dark god Zaal from his exile. Leading an assault on the Barbarian village, he personally murders Gundar and shows an awful treatment of his own troops, even throttling his Dragon for a minor failure. As he uses the blood of the Barbarians to resurrect Zaal, he forces Zandra to fight for him, abusing her the entire time, before taking on the powers of Zaal and killing many defenseless Barbarians. He plans to wipe out the entire Barbarian clan, then move onto spread darkness and terror throughout the lands, promising that all life will submit to him or die by his hand.
- The Secret of NIMH: Jenner, in contrast to his noble brethren amongst the rats of NIMH, desires nothing but power. When Mrs. Brisby comes to the rats for help moving her family and house to be safe from a farmer's plow, Jenner sabotages the moving so the wise and kind leader of the rats, Nicodemus, is crushed to death, while the Brisby house is sinking in mud with Jenner not caring about the impending deaths of the kids trapped inside. When he sees Nicodemus bequeathed it to her, Jenner attempts to murder Mrs. Brisby for a special stone. Jenner, like all the rats, owes his very life to Mrs. Brisby's deceased husband and the father of her kids, but displays zero remorse or gratitude to Jonathan's memory. After his henchman Sullivan finally has enough with Jenner's lunacy, Jenner slashes Sullivan's throat and attempts to kill his rival Justin, declaring his only philosophy in life: Take what you can when you can.
- Starchaser: The Legend of Orin: Zygon is a Galactic Conqueror with a god complex who seeks to rule humanity. Formerly a rogue android known as Nexus, his first attempt was stopped by guardians known as the Ka-Khan, and his army was destroyed. Forced to hide, Zygon bides his time and establishes a slave mine on the planet Zinia, forcing human slaves—who are forced to work regardless of age or physical condition—into such harsh conditions they often die. The blade the Ka-Khan used to defeat him is found by an old slave, who's killed to keep it a secret. Once Orin finds out about the blade and decides to escape, Zygon fatally strangles his girlfriend Elan. After Orin escapes, Zygon places a massive bounty on his head and has his Mecha-Mooks attack him at every turn. He captures Dagg and has him painfully tortured by shooting a laser into his forehead, overseeing this with a sadistic grin. After he has the heroes within his grasp, Zygon leads his ships to obliterate the human's opposing fleet and take over the planet by force. Once he's been revealed as Nexus, Zygon takes Aviana, the new Love Interest, hostage, threatening her life. Once Orin surrenders, Zygon attempts to strike him down with his own blade.
- The Tale of Despereaux: Boticelli Remorso is the cruel leader of the lower rat world. Believing the only true meaning of life is other people's suffering, he forces innocent mice, such as the protagonist, Despereaux, into incredibly one-sided gladiator-like games in a Colosseum, pitting them against a gigantic cat where the only outcome is being eaten and dying in front of a crowd of bloodthirsty rats. He despises Princess Pea for no apparent reason, and as such orders his hundreds of rats to eat her, trample her and cause her great pain. Boticelli's evil is further cemented by the skulls and bones littered throughout Ratworld.
- The Thief and the Cobbler: The Recobbled Cut: Mighty One-Eye, from the original workprint and this version of the film, is a brutal warlord who introduces himself in the aftermath of a complete massacre of an army he and his army have defeated, forming a mountain of hundreds of corpses upon which One Eye announces his intent to bring the Golden City and all within to destruction. Regularly making a habit of abusing his personal harem and using them as living furniture, One Eye spitefully orders the treacherous wizard Zigzag thrown to his pet alligators even after Zigzag provides him with the means to invade the Golden City. One Eye is implied to make a regular habit out of mass slaughter and seeks to annihilate the Golden City purely as a show of his bloodthirsty might.
- War of the Birds (1990 Danish animated film): Fagin is a murderous vulture responsible for terrorizing the residents of a forest he frequents. Fagin opens the film attacking and killing the parents of Oliver as they defend their nest, swiftly obliterating their nest in the process and destroying all but one of their seven eggs; all of this just for fun. Fagin's periodic assaults on the forest have claimed numerous lives, among them the parents of Oliver's eventual companion Olivia and the mother of the mice Frederick and Inglof. Fagin spends the rest of the movie attempting to brutally kill Oliver and his companions first for fun and later out of spite, coldly dismissing Oliver's anger at him over the murder of his parents and wrathfully killing Oliver's adoptive mother Betty after she rips out his eye. In addition to his thrill-killing, Fagin keeps a nameless dove as his personal slave, physically abusing her and traumatizing her into a stuttering wreck of a bird.
- Wizards: Blackwolf fancies himself to be the next Adolf Hitler. Millions of years after the world is devastated by a nuclear war, Blackwolf and his brother Avatar are born in the kingdom of Montagar. After their mother dies, Blackwolf is overjoyed, seeing this as his chance to seize power. Avatar defeats Blackwolf in battle and banishes him. Blackwolf moves to the kingdom of Scortch, a radioactive waste land filled with mutants and takes over. Blackwolf sends out assassins to search the land and kill anyone who practices magic. Blackwolf also assassinates all the leaders of the free states so he can be a better position to strike. Blackwolf's mutant army is at first undisciplined and unmotivated and does not win battles. However, Blackwolf eventually finds a projector and some old Nazi propaganda films, which he uses to inspire his troops and bring fear and confusion to his enemies, so now Blackwolf's troops often slaughter the opposing side. Blackwolf's troops seize a village and end up killing all the prisoners they captured, as well as blowing up a church. Blackwolf claims mutants are a Master Race and wants to fight for their interests, but when he discovers his son will be a mutant, he plans on killing him.
Edited by ACW on May 26th 2019 at 4:42:18 AM
Shit, my bad, I forgot that. I just requested that.
EDIT: Also, if all goes well, Brainiac's EP should be tomorrow. Apocalypse's I don't know when yet (I ordered the graphic novel of the issues; it hasn't arrived yet. Hopefully I'll do the EP by the end of June).
BTW, for those curious, Apocalypse's new entries will look like this. 616 first, then other continuities:
- Apocalypse: An ancient Egyptian who gained his powers from Celestial technology, En Sabah Nur ("The First One"), better known as Apocalypse, is one of the oldest, and one of the most evil, mutants in existence. Believing that the strong must dominate the weak, Apocalypse aims to test humanity. Those who survive the process will be allowed to live as his servants, those who fail, die. Apocalypse has a history of granting powers to other unscrupulous individuals, transforming Nathaniel Essex into the mad geneticist Mister Sinister in exchange for Sinister agreeing to unleash a plague that would exterminate most of humanity, and empowering terrorist leader Moses Magnum, in exchange for the latter winnowing out the strong from the weak. Believing wholeheartedly that those he considers weak must be slain, Apocalypse is well-deserving of his name.
- Apocalypse is just as bad in other continuities:
- Earth-4935
: This incarnation is the future version of Earth-616 Apocalypse. His other crimes include infecting the infant Cable with a techno-organic virus turning Cable's clone, Stryfe, into the monster he is today; trying to force humanity to reduce its own population by ninety percent or face the wrath of another meta-plague; and effectively killing Stryfe by bodyjacking him. There's also the Bad Future, where he rules most of the world and has effectively run it into the ground.
- Age of Apocalypse: He has devastated North America with nuclear weapons, reduced the human population by purges, and gave free reign to like-minded psychopaths Sinister, Holocaust, and Mikhail Rasputin, effectively destroying civilization.
- Earth-4935
Edited by ACW on May 26th 2019 at 4:42:00 AM
The batch
in case someone's not had a chance to look at it yet.
Ferris.
Speaking of overlooked C Ms, there's a feeling of satisfaction of finding a couple of candidates in a series or even a specific entree. I mean were just people so we do have tendencies to look make a few errors or we do judge someone as someone who doesn't count when later on we do. Guess that's why I really don't let myself be influence on why check base on if the series has been check for a CM or not. I know it's very likely something popular has been checked, but it's always worth a 2nd look.
Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - GiselleXANA in Code Lyoko is not a Complete Monster. He may be an evil AI who wants to take over the world and enslave humanity, but he is a pragmatist with sympathetic moments. In the episode "Marabounta", he forms an Enemy Mine with the heroes, and does not betray them afterwards. Furthermore, XANA has occasionally expressed his admiration for the intelligence and fighting skills of the heroes. He is a pragmatic villain, and not a Complete Monster. This trope should be removed from the Code Lyoko YMMV page.
The Enemy Mine situation was already brought up and ultimately decided that it didn't mitigate him as he resumes trying to kill the Lyoko Squad.
I believe that General Ross/Red Hulk from The Avengers EMH qualifies as a Complete Monster due to the things he did to the Hunk as well as the Avengers. He also does not have any redeeming or sympathetic qualities.
Edited by Thetropemaster101 on May 26th 2019 at 7:55:17 AM
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(maybe we should add that to the FAQ page?)
Edited by Libraryseraph on May 26th 2019 at 11:04:12 AM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAI don't think Baddie Flattery counts as redeeming. Not helping is that the current page image depicts a CM.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!@Leviator I think that your idea of Complete Monster is just a vicious Sadist. That isn't inherently required(Though it could help) We have guys like Hans Gruber from die hard Or Sigma from Red vs blue who are Calcuted Schemers instead of Brutal Savages.
It depends on how heinous they are rather then how they go about it(Plus from what I heard XANA DOES display some sadism at one point when trying to kill the heroes . One of the Displays of personality that removed him from being a GDV)
Things are really about to get Fun around hereHere's the EP
Beast did for Red Hulk about a year ago. IIRC, Ross was pretty divisive candidate, with some not voting him up because he didn't seem to pass the heinous standard. I don't think there's anything the original EP left out or got wrong. I can't think of a reason there needs to be a reevaluation, especially so recently.
Good morning guys. Well, its morning over here in Europe anyway, lulz.
Alright, so it's time to discuss Arrow Season 7 and.....well honestly, there isn't much to discuss.
- Emiko Adachi, the (true) Big Bad of the Season. She is the illegitimate daughter of the late Robert Queen, with a woman named Kazumi Adachi. He abandoned both of them when his wife Moira found out about his adultery, leaving both of them devastated and pennyless. Young Emiko was then forced to work as a courier for the Bertinelli crime family, which lead to her meeting Dante, who took her under his wing and had her join the Ninth Circle. Over the years, she took control of the Circle herself, but stil tried to get into her dads good graces. When he shot her down one too many times, she indirectly orchestrated his death. Many years later, she started posing as the new Green Arrow of the Glades, while Oliver Queen was in prison. In reality, she was planning a Revenge by Proxy scheme against Oliver, as she was jealous of everything that he received from Robert, while she got nothing. While her anger is understandable to an extent, she goes way beyond any reasonable limit in her crusade, even planning to destroy the entire city all just to make Oliver feel the same pain she experienced. Nevertheless, she's a no-no due to loving her mom and trying to genuinely win Robert's affection. In the end, she even pulls a Death Equals Redemption and Oliver mourns her passing.
- Dante. The original leader of the Ninth Circle who took Emiko under his wing. He does have Emiko's mom murdered so Emiko won't have anymore distractions in her life and is fully devooted to the Ninth Circle. A dick move, but he still has a twisted kind of affection for her, being something of her adoptive father. He also doesn't really DO that much during all of his appearances.
- Keven Dale, CEO of Galaxy One. Big Bad of the new Flash Forward storyline. He is bankrolling the Glade's mayor, none other than Rene Ramirez, while also trying to turn the Glades into a police state and most importantly, wants to blow up the rest of Star City to rebuild it in the Glades image and destroy the last remnants of the few remaining vigilantes opposing him. Redeeming qualities, I can't really think of one except for maybe being attracted to William, but the bottomline is, destroying Star City really isn't anything special anymore by this point. So I'm giving him a hard pass as well.
- Now for Ricardo Diaz. Honestly, I know many people wanted a full effort post, if the majority insists then I will produce one, but.... honestly I just don't see it. Diaz isn't the Big Bad anymore after his empire crumbled and he is left with basically nothing. Now, he only cares for petty revenge against Oliver. He targets his family, tries blowing up the city and when everything fails, he even willingly goes to prison to start a riot and a fire, all just to get to Oliver. It fails, and he is left defeated in prison. He is later conscripted into the new version of the Suicide Squad, the Ghost Initiative, to give some intel on Date. He tries going rogue a few times, but gets thwarted and is being dropped off in prison again, to rot for good this time.....or not. Because Emiko comes to visit him and sets him on fire. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
If you disagree with anything, lets discuss it.
Edited by Forenperser on May 26th 2019 at 6:23:56 PM
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