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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#162879: May 13th 2019 at 2:37:52 PM

Nope.

For now at least. They'll probably get to Brainiac eventually as hes second only to lex luthor as supermans Arch-Enemy

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#162880: May 13th 2019 at 2:37:54 PM

[tup] Darksied. Assuming that Justice League War is the 2014 animated film, no Brainiac is not in that film

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#162881: May 13th 2019 at 2:41:22 PM

Yeah its part of the DC Animated Movie Universe. We currently have 8 cm's from there which is actually more thn the DCAU

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#162882: May 13th 2019 at 2:47:56 PM

[tup] Darkseid

Alright, I made Sandbox.Complete Monster Animated Film. I'll let you guys decide what to do with animated films that are part of other trees.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#162883: May 13th 2019 at 2:53:27 PM

[tup] to Darkseid and the Conductor.

Actually Harold Jenkins is indeed based off the Conductor. BTW good job with the EP therealjackieboy!

Also today's the day I'm graduating college!

Edited by G-Editor on May 12th 2019 at 11:54:52 PM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#162884: May 13th 2019 at 2:57:46 PM

Also guys.

Today I take a break from this thread for a few weeks to focus on my exams.

I'll return at around June 5thish with some nice collabs.

So bye for now.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#162885: May 13th 2019 at 2:58:24 PM

[up][up]Mazel Tov.

Also, [tup] Darkseid.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 13th 2019 at 5:58:53 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#162886: May 13th 2019 at 3:01:44 PM

Good luck @miraculous

I'm still... Torn on Animated Films getting its own subpage tbh

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#162887: May 13th 2019 at 3:09:23 PM

They won't be divided given the country they originate from? I mean an American film and one coming from say China are two different things.

Edited by AustinDR on May 13th 2019 at 3:16:45 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#162888: May 13th 2019 at 3:09:38 PM

Good job G, happy birthday Duck, and good luck Mir

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#162889: May 13th 2019 at 3:10:03 PM

[tup] Darkseid

@Mir Good luck. Do you still plan to cover Detective Pikachu?

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#162890: May 13th 2019 at 3:24:35 PM

Happy Birthday, Ducky.

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#162893: May 13th 2019 at 3:34:14 PM

@Silver: I gave ut to Scraggle.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#162894: May 13th 2019 at 3:34:39 PM

Take care mir.

Honestly Dankseid seems more than enough of a character. So ayep to him.

Does he sit on stuff in that game?

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#162895: May 13th 2019 at 3:37:03 PM

[tup] Darkseid

Thanks for the compliment G, and good luck mir!

It's Spooky Month!
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#162896: May 13th 2019 at 3:37:11 PM

[tup]Darkseid and Conduct.

I have no issue with Animated films getting a separate page as it could keep things from getting to spacey.

We may need to update the Western Animation page to take this change into account if it happens.

IPP Wick Check created.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#162897: May 13th 2019 at 3:37:27 PM

Polar: Yes, actually [lol] He has a throne on the post-Apokoliptik Metropolis.

Edited by ACW on May 13th 2019 at 6:37:39 AM

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#162898: May 13th 2019 at 3:38:53 PM

Funnily enough, I might have another Darkseid proposal coming. Maybe, maybe not, I'm rewatching the media to make sure.

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#162899: May 13th 2019 at 3:39:02 PM

@Master Joseph Yeah... That's exactly why I'm torn at. Finding new image and quote for Western Animation after the split will be a tough task IMO. Especially with the redefinition of the quote and the image can also be hit and miss

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on May 13th 2019 at 5:39:44 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

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