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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#162801: May 13th 2019 at 2:14:01 AM

Is he heinous enough, or even taken seriously enough?

hittheassassin Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
#162802: May 13th 2019 at 2:16:00 AM

I'm not sure, because looking back some of his actions like what he did to Gingy and Mama Bear are quite dark and pretty horrific, especially Mama Bear although it can be quite easy to miss. Just wondering if Farquuad was ever discussed.

Edited by hittheassassin on May 13th 2019 at 5:20:47 PM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#162803: May 13th 2019 at 2:21:24 AM

Farquaad isn't bad enough or taken seriously enough. His torture of Gingy is played for laughs entirely, the Mama Bear thing isn't really focused on, and nothing else he does is heinous enough. End of story.

@ACW: It's offscreen—the specific details relayed by Kitty—but it matters a bit less in this case given it's a Historical Rap Sheet. Everyone who cares to know the bloody details of the Rape of Nanking can care to search them up, and Buddha's explicitly clarified to have presided over all of it.

Edited by Scraggle on May 13th 2019 at 2:22:20 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#162805: May 13th 2019 at 3:40:35 AM

In terms of heinousness, I'd say Farquaad comes quite short.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#162806: May 13th 2019 at 3:55:40 AM

[tup]Big Buddha.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#162807: May 13th 2019 at 4:12:05 AM

[tup] Arzy, Yoga and Big Buddha. [tdown] to the Cardinal.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#162809: May 13th 2019 at 6:14:02 AM

[tup]Buddha.

Why so serious?
xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#162810: May 13th 2019 at 6:16:21 AM

Yesterday’s Go T was a travesty, pm me for more

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#162811: May 13th 2019 at 6:55:46 AM

Yes to Buddha.

And I echo xie on latest GOT episode being a travesty. What have they done to my favorite show?!

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#162813: May 13th 2019 at 7:04:09 AM

Private messages, people. They do exist.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#162814: May 13th 2019 at 7:05:27 AM

Also, I feel like it's a little too early to discuss Game of Thrones, as the series isn't done, and even then we have to wait 2 weeks.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#162815: May 13th 2019 at 7:07:18 AM

[tup] to Big Buddha

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#162816: May 13th 2019 at 7:11:51 AM

Though it HAS been two weeks since the Night King's arc ended. Too much of a GDV to count I'm guessing?

"Winter is coming" my ass.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#162817: May 13th 2019 at 7:16:08 AM

...If the series hasn't ended, we can wait to discuss. Also, I'm pretty sure someone else is supposed to start that discussion.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#162818: May 13th 2019 at 7:18:17 AM

Game of Thrones Season 8: June 2, 2019 (Lightysnake).

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#162819: May 13th 2019 at 7:20:13 AM

As I just said, private messages are a thing.

Also, there's a Game of Thrones forum. Feel free to chat about the show there.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#162820: May 13th 2019 at 7:20:25 AM

Guys....we actually have a game of thrones discussion forum (Two in fact) in the live action tv section. You can go discuss and complain there.

We have to wait till June 2nd.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by miraculous on May 13th 2019 at 7:21:07 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#162821: May 13th 2019 at 7:30:37 AM

Moving on, does anyone have an effortpost?

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#162823: May 13th 2019 at 8:12:36 AM

Funnily enough that's F. Murray Abraham's second non-keeper in a few months. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they expanded on his villainy in a sequel... wait...

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#162824: May 13th 2019 at 8:24:08 AM

Out of curiosty does he actually have any.

It's amazing to think that he got two separate misses. One of him may have intended for this trope in Grimmsley but somehow screwed the landing and ended up in Magnificent Bastard instead.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#162825: May 13th 2019 at 8:29:47 AM

Cyrus Kriticos says hi

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

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