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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#161651: May 6th 2019 at 8:09:52 PM

Speaking of Nicol Bolas.... Wasnt he supposed to get a bit of an expansions due to the nasty things he had done in Amonkhet?

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#161652: May 6th 2019 at 8:12:24 PM

Lord Xavius just said he'd do an expansion tomorrow

LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#161653: May 6th 2019 at 8:13:33 PM

I am interested if you are planning on effort posting Tezzeret tomorrow considering how complicit he is all the stuff Bolas did.

Edited by LoreDeluxe on May 6th 2019 at 8:14:31 AM

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#161654: May 6th 2019 at 8:28:08 PM

Actually, isn't Bolas's arc straight-up done (for now)? The expansion should probably close the book on him, at least for the foreseeable future.

Edited by nrjxll on May 6th 2019 at 10:28:51 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#161657: May 6th 2019 at 10:19:14 PM

[tup] Apophis

Also reserving Little Misfortune, the new game from the developers of Fran Bow.

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#161658: May 6th 2019 at 10:46:29 PM

[tup]Apophis

Also whose doing the Mortal Kombat 11 ep?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
crankers Since: Mar, 2014
#161660: May 6th 2019 at 11:08:42 PM

@erazor0707

Regarding Kiara, just so we don't miss anything, i scanned the Character page. Beast Kiara, (The villain) has nothing to do with Alter Ego Kiara (The summonable ally) right?

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#161661: May 6th 2019 at 11:25:35 PM

Well... yes and no. There is like some complicated lore reason why Kiara is summonable as an Alter Ego even though she was introduced as a Beast (and died in the story arc IIRC).

Just don't worry about it. She's never going to change. Even as a summonbable ally, she's just waiting to corrupt the Protagonist.

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#161662: May 7th 2019 at 12:44:08 AM

[tup] Apophis

I found redeeming tropes in Jerome Valeska character sheet in Gotham - Criminals.

  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: He seemed to care for Jeremiah, if in his own twisted way; despite broad disregard for the lives of everyone else around him, he never even tried killing Jeremiah (well, he was going to, but he thought he was doing Jeremiah a favor).
  • Even Evil Has Standards: Very downplayed, obviously, but he does keep his word on not killing Penguin if he managed to make him laugh.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#161663: May 7th 2019 at 12:46:39 AM

Uh neither of those hold up or anywhere near moral....which a quick read of them would show.

Edited by miraculous on May 7th 2019 at 12:47:13 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#161664: May 7th 2019 at 1:30:54 AM

He dosent love Jeremiah....Hell that isn't just becuase of "He's a CM he dosent care about people" Jeremiah Quiet frankly ruined his life , And was largely the reason he turned evil(Not TOO sympathetic though, as he's still a CM) He hates Jeremiah more then anyone. And outright tells him that he'll kill him...But he wants to drive him mad first.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nU45-hVqsM

Edited by Kylotrope on May 7th 2019 at 1:36:23 AM

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#161665: May 7th 2019 at 1:33:18 AM

"not killing one guy one time" does not qualify as having standards, either. someone's trying to give him a prize for not-even-basic decency. cut.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#161667: May 7th 2019 at 2:40:28 AM

Righteo. I personally think MK 11's Big Bad qualifies, but we shall see when the time comes.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#161668: May 7th 2019 at 3:24:21 AM

[up][up][up] True, but I think keeping your word IS a disqualifier.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#161669: May 7th 2019 at 3:31:30 AM

I mean, with The whole "Make me laugh or I kill you" Thing, I'm not sure if keeping your word is DQ in that context.

Like, if a guy forced 5 people to kill eachother or else he'd kill all of them, and then didn't kill the last guy. Would that be Disqualifying?

[down]

Well Technically he TRIES to do that. Then it Turns out Jeromes Gas failed and Jeremiah was Evil All Along. Not that it makes the attempt better though, From Jeromes POV he was brainwashing his brother to continue his legacy.

Edited by Kylotrope on May 7th 2019 at 4:25:37 AM

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PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#161670: May 7th 2019 at 4:19:56 AM

Uh, doesn't Jermone use gas to turn Jeremiah psychotic so he can continue his legacy?

Pretty sure sparing his life in that context means nothing.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#161671: May 7th 2019 at 4:30:17 AM

You guys want to hold off talking about Jeremiah for the next few days ?

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#161672: May 7th 2019 at 4:32:24 AM

3 more days guys before Jeremiah's discussion.

Please hold off until then.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#161673: May 7th 2019 at 4:34:48 AM

I was actually talking about Jerome.

...wait, were people talking about the other Jerry? I don't even watch Gotham. Just some scenes here and there.

razorrozar7 Migrated to Chloe Jessica! from Chloe Jessica Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
#161674: May 7th 2019 at 4:37:52 AM

i was talking about jerome. if a wire got crossed somewhere, my apologies.

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PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#161675: May 7th 2019 at 4:40:05 AM

Yeah, me too. I'll zip it now.


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