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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#161601: May 6th 2019 at 3:17:24 PM

Aye to Jeog, Kiara, the Mirror Queen... ah, yes, enthusiastic yes to Xhakaz and the lovely Senyakhaz. You know me too well.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#161602: May 6th 2019 at 3:33:18 PM

@Elfen: It's no biggie. Just remember to look at the Discussion Dates. I've had my name up there for Mirrorworld for several weeks now.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#161603: May 6th 2019 at 3:37:23 PM

I have a smartass question: Lighty, you said nobody but that duo gets up to the same stuff in Allansia...what about the Old World or Khul? tongue

Also, who's that profile pic?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#161604: May 6th 2019 at 3:38:31 PM

[up] It's Hei from Darker than Black with his mask as he is an assassin after all.

@Tyk Alright, wouldn't mind sharing but keep in mind regarding the pace of my reading.

Another thing: May I reserve Honkai Impact 3rd for later future?

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on May 6th 2019 at 5:42:15 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#161605: May 6th 2019 at 3:55:30 PM

[up] Elfen, not meaning to be rude, but the story is almost complete with one chapter left. Tyk's had it for a while.

Now...okay, you have no idea how happy this EP makes me today:

What's the work?

Mummy: The Resurrection is a setting in the old World of Darkness Tabletop game....I'm going to quote from Wikipedia here: "In 1999, a catastrophic storm (the Sixth Maelstrom, a major event in White Wolf's metaplot) shook the Underworld and - among other things - woke Osiris from his long slumber. Osiris took a glimpse at the Earth and realised that the world was a very dark place, very much in need of his help. Osiris decided to issue an announcement to his worshipers on Earth, in which he assured them that they were not forsaken, and then he granted them a new spell - the Spell of Life - to resurrect the chosen ones who would do battle in his name."

Yeah, you play as mummies, awakening to fight the good fight. But who is the villain opposing you? The lord of nightmares, the master of corruption...the great serpent.

Apophis.

Who is Apophis?

Long ago in the time before time, there was Apophis, the lord of Isfret. When order took shape, or Ma'at, Apophis delighted in destroying in and its tenets and champions. To the followers of Isis and Osiris, Apophis is the satanic figure, the lord of evil....and for good reason. Resting below the void? Apophis influences the world in horrific fashion. Apophis causes disasters all across the world and creates death and destruction wherever he can, but his true monstrosity is found in what he does to souls.

Apophis charges his minions with corruption. His champion Sutekh murdered Osiris long ago, and the evil Bane Mummies and dark spirits enact Apophis's will. As a boss? Apophis is a nightmare. He has his servants roam the world, corrupting and perverting all goodness they find, luring souls to damnation for Apophis to enslave or devour permanently. under the Amkhat cult? Apophis openly enforces human sacrifice and cannibalism. Everything Apophis does is meant to upset that balance, to lure in countless innocents, and to corrupt Osiris's followers, luring them into Isfret and his embrace where they become harbingers of chaos and evil. Apophis is known to direct his servants on a great deal of this, promoting murder and mayhem.

Also? Apophis is one of the trio behind the Midnight Circus, one of the most despicable organiations in the World of Darkness: a dark circus that feeds on fear and suffering, chaotically wandering and luring in the innocent. Children, adults...to be mind raped, devoured, murdered, corrupted, consumed, etc. to feed the circus, all for the dark designs of Apophis and its fellows. His ultimate goal? to rise from oblivion when the balance is gone and obliterate the world entire....which is what The Resurrected are dedicated to preventing.

Heinousness?

The biggest and baddest in Mummy. Nobody else comes close to touching his scaly hide. Apophis is one of the worst in the Old World of Darkness, operating on scales most others can't touch, with some nasty flourishes as The Corrupter. Pass.

Mitigating Qualities?

Hahahahahaha. Yeah, no. Apophis is basically his egyptian counterpart brought into the World of Darkness. Now, the Werewolves believe he's an incarnation of their destroyer deity, The Wyrm, who cannot qualify due to its...crazed morality and that it's actually kind of a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds that's trying to escape the creation it's caught in. Apophis is wholly distinct, hateful of order and pure evil. No agency issues I'm aware of are ever ascribed.

Conclusion?

A hearty yes, and...

Finally. Got. One.

Edited by Lightysnake on May 6th 2019 at 3:56:16 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#161606: May 6th 2019 at 3:57:02 PM

And a yes to Apophis.

Ah sorry about it... I'll let it slide for now and yes, cant wait for you guys to get into Perdido Street Station.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on May 6th 2019 at 5:57:48 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#161608: May 6th 2019 at 3:59:05 PM

[tup] for Apophis.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#161612: May 6th 2019 at 4:08:39 PM

[tup] Apophis. Who are the other 2 behind that Carnival? Also, I read the effortpost...what DOES he do to souls that's so monstrous?

Edited by ACW on May 6th 2019 at 7:11:16 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#161613: May 6th 2019 at 4:09:09 PM

Youn found an Apophis! [tup] Well done old chap, well done.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#161614: May 6th 2019 at 4:11:47 PM

Twists and corrupts or devours them. One of the others is the Wyrm, I forget the other.

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#161616: May 6th 2019 at 4:13:56 PM

LIGHTY FINALLY CAUGHT THE SNAKE [tup][tup][tup]

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#161618: May 6th 2019 at 4:16:53 PM

[tup] to Apophis

Say I like theDarker than Black pic Lighty, speaking of DTB I’ve looked at Genma Shizume’s character page and he sounds like a nasty dude but doesn’t have aCM entry, so does he qualify as a CM or is he not heinous enough to qualify

Edited by G-Editor on May 6th 2019 at 1:17:13 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#161619: May 6th 2019 at 4:18:35 PM

[tup] Apophis. Congrats, dude.

Edited by therealjackieboy on May 6th 2019 at 4:19:29 AM

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#161620: May 6th 2019 at 4:18:36 PM

Actually, looking at it, it seems Apophis and Wyrm are the patrons, while the leaders, the Infernal Trinity, are the Ringmaster Devyn Cavendish (worth an EP himself?), Astarte, and Calabris.

You must feel like how I did when I finally got a Joker and a Skull. Actually, I lucked out with that Joker; I was fortunate that it had been overlooked when Scraggle and Ravok did their Elseworlds binge.

Edited by ACW on May 6th 2019 at 7:19:55 AM

Godzillawolf Since: Jul, 2010
#161621: May 6th 2019 at 4:22:25 PM

BTW, I noticed there are no fan works image links on the image link page. Conveniently the Bridge has tons of illustrations, so think this one might be good for the Complete Monster Image Links page (since Jeog seems pretty much confirmed)?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/you_re_gonna_die_running_by_faith_wolff_dd2dydp.png
some caption text

Source: http://fav.me/dd2dydp

I'm in The Bridge Discord server and could ask the artist if it is.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#161623: May 6th 2019 at 4:24:40 PM

[up][up] I think it's too unclear what's happening in that image.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#161624: May 6th 2019 at 4:25:22 PM

[tup] Apophis

[tup] Sessyoin Kiara (finally)

[tup] Mirror Queen

Watch me destroying my country
Godzillawolf Since: Jul, 2010
#161625: May 6th 2019 at 4:26:26 PM

[up]Unfortunately, Jeog's pictures seem to want to obstruct her.

It's when she murdered Yon and tried to feed Seong his remains as soup.


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