During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Reposting this since only 43 responded. The E Ps were done by Jackie BTW
Does anyone else think that these two can be combined?
- MadWorld: Bloody Hilarious and line-crossing as the game may be, these two manage to stand out as being completely greedy monsters.
- Noa is the CEO of DeathWatch, and Leo Fallmont's second-in-command. Cutting off all access to roads and technology in Jefferson Island, Noa unleashes a deadly virus that will kill everyone within 24 hours, promising a vaccine to those who kill— even suggesting starting with family members and neighbors—with the last one standing winning $100 million. Turning the DeathWatch games—having previously been created for nations to engage in less bloody wars—into a violent reality show where the wealthy bid on contestants, Noa reaps most of the profits for himself, doing whatever he can to keep sponsors funding the games.
- Leonardo "Leo" Fallmont, first seen as a random survivor, is the true villain of the game, the creator of the deadly virus, and the aforementioned Noa's boss. Following his father's pharmaceutical company going bankrupt after the last presidential election, he and his father decide to create a virus in order to sell a vaccine. Partnering with Noa to spread the virus across Jefferson Island, he plans on using DeathWatch as a way to spread publicity about the vaccine, blackmailing various countries with his virus unless they buy it, while also participating in the games for the thrill of killing.
Edited by papyru30 on May 5th 2019 at 10:28:34 AM
EDIT:Putting this back as people actually replied already.
Anyway, there was something I wanted to ask. So, Standard Domestic Abuse isn't heinous enough, but is Extreme versions?
Cause one Charachter I have an Eye on Tortures His girlfriend for 2 days With a Tensile Testing machine Designed for People.
So far that's all he Does so he dosent count yet. But I wonder if they Show him doing this more often Down the line(Its established he does this somewhat frequently as She says, Clearly lying to herself that she "Loves testing his machines". So they'd just have to show it on screen) would that be bad enough?
I ask this Just in case I'm wasting my time keeping an Eye on him.
Edited by Kylotrope on May 5th 2019 at 9:30:33 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereMmm... well I don't think they're really done a disservice by being split, so I'm fine with them being left as is. I'm looking over my combined 2012!Syndicate entry and thinking I got a bit too gung-ho about lumping when Jack and Merit have enough distinctive villainy to keep separate. I'm not really keen on bothering the thread to go un-merge them because of my oversight but from personal experience I'm gonna vouch for leaving it as is unless there's an issue with them being kept apart.
Fair enough I just think that they don't do much independently to warrant separate write ups but it's not hurting anything.
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I don't think that torturing one person is enough. He'd have to move on to killing others or torturing more people to get my vote.
Also I want to include Leo killing Noa in his write up
- Leonardo "Leo" Fallmont, first seen as a random survivor, is the true villain of the game, the creator of the deadly virus, and the aforementioned Noa's boss. Following his father's pharmaceutical company going bankrupt after the last presidential election, he and his father decide to create a virus in order to sell a vaccine. Partnering with Noa to spread the virus across Jefferson Island before ultimately killing Noa to cover his tracks. He plans on using DeathWatch as a way to spread publicity about the vaccine, blackmailing various countries with his virus unless they buy it, while also participating in the games for the thrill of killing.
Edited by papyru30 on May 5th 2019 at 11:22:58 AM
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There are a few examples of Domestic Abuse that are taken to extremes: like Ruth Chandler and Chris Cleek. The former horrifyingly abuses their niece for months from allowing her sons and neighborhood kids to rape her, mutilate her, and she even goes as far as to burn her clitoris out. For the latter, Cleek raped his older daughter for multiple days until she got pregnant, and he had a secret daughter that he kept locked away like an animal.
Edited by AustinDR on May 5th 2019 at 9:30:16 AM
About the Mad World writeups: I can try writing a combination write up and we can compare both that and the originals.
It's Spooky Month!Our Standards are Differant.
Also, this thing about the Comparions between Pure evil snd complete monster is becoming a bit of an issue ive noticed. Like that time someone Deleted Arkham!Oswald because he wasn't considered pure evil on Villains wiki(Said the troper who deleted him on PM)
This is coming from someone who still thinks he counts, Please drop it. It sucks but you gotta let some things go.
Edited by Kylotrope on May 5th 2019 at 9:44:21 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereWe are not Villains Wiki, or any other site. We are TV Tropes.
We have different parameters, different guidelines.
Any tropers who bring up Villains Wiki when discussing characters should remember this.
Please add this to the FAQ, as this is clearly becoming a problem.
Also, I will pretend I didn't hear Grimmel brought up again, and I expect the next person to consider that conversation over.
Edited by SkyCat32 on May 5th 2019 at 12:51:02 PM
On second thought I think both Mad World candidates can stay separate. I think they both do just enough different from each other.
It's Spooky Month!

Both of you. Stop. This discussion ends now, move onto a different topic or I'm getting in the mods.