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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#161455: May 5th 2019 at 8:01:42 PM

Also after hearing Age's arguments, switching to no on Nichols.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#161456: May 5th 2019 at 8:02:00 PM

I found this on the character page for Viktor from Knack. Is anybody familiar with the game here that can comment on this?

  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: He is devastated when he sees Katrina falling into the volcano, although he doesn't know she survives. He is clearly furious about it when Vargas & co meets him onboard his airship.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#161458: May 5th 2019 at 8:06:28 PM

Well, Viktor ain’t the CM, Xander is, and Xander has no redeeming qualities. That being said, having played Knack myself, Viktor did seemed genuinely devastated when Katrina seemingly perished.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#161459: May 5th 2019 at 8:10:10 PM

Sorry I got the names mixed up.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#161461: May 5th 2019 at 8:12:53 PM

Discussed him, he doesn't count. Please use the search function.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#161463: May 5th 2019 at 8:43:23 PM

Actually, Had something to say on Grimmel after having seen the film myself.

The main thing I saw during discussion was that he has Oppurtinities to be worse but dosent take them compared to Drago.

However I should point out its a Differant case from Drago, When he did Sadistic stuff he had nothing to gain but he ALSO had nothing to lose.

Grimmel is a Differant story, Him not directly attacking Berk was becuase them leaving under his Threat was part of the plan. And Had he shot the Light fury he would have lost a Hostage and Toothless would have called the Dragons on him.

Also [tup] to Carney.

Edited by Kylotrope on May 5th 2019 at 8:52:03 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#161464: May 5th 2019 at 8:44:20 PM

Kylo, we're not reviving this discussion. Everyone pitched in an opinion over an EP in a debate that lasted pages. Consensus decreed Pragmatic Villainy is not as heinous compared to a guy who takes literally every opportunity he's onscreen to go as far as he can and then further—that's all there is to it.

Edited by Scraggle on May 5th 2019 at 8:45:59 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#161465: May 5th 2019 at 8:45:28 PM

Agreed. We settled Grimmel in the very recent history.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#161466: May 5th 2019 at 8:49:23 PM

Does anyone else think that these two can be combined?

  • MadWorld: Bloody Hilarious and line-crossing as the game may be, these two manage to stand out as being completely greedy monsters.
    • Noa is the CEO of DeathWatch, and Leo Fallmont's second-in-command. Cutting off all access to roads and technology in Jefferson Island, Noa unleashes a deadly virus that will kill everyone within 24 hours, promising a vaccine to those who kill— even suggesting starting with family members and neighbors—with the last one standing winning $100 million. Turning the DeathWatch games—having previously been created for nations to engage in less bloody wars—into a violent reality show where the wealthy bid on contestants, Noa reaps most of the profits for himself, doing whatever he can to keep sponsors funding the games.
    • Leonardo "Leo" Fallmont, first seen as a random survivor, is the true villain of the game, the creator of the deadly virus, and the aforementioned Noa's boss. Following his father's pharmaceutical company going bankrupt after the last presidential election, he and his father decide to create a virus in order to sell a vaccine. Partnering with Noa to spread the virus across Jefferson Island, he plans on using DeathWatch as a way to spread publicity about the vaccine, blackmailing various countries with his virus unless they buy it, while also participating in the games for the thrill of killing.

Edited by papyru30 on May 5th 2019 at 10:14:15 AM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#161467: May 5th 2019 at 8:49:59 PM

Double agreed. What’s done is done, and Grimmel was downvoted. (Though I do remember him being divisive.)

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#161468: May 5th 2019 at 8:50:58 PM

Yes to Carney, no to Nichols, not down to re-litigate Grimmel, near everyone agreed he doesn't count and I'm not seeing anything new here.

@ Papyru, Who did them? I think it was Jackie... maybe see what he thinks?

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#161469: May 5th 2019 at 8:53:27 PM

Hasn't Grimmel been discussed in all angles? I mean, it seems like every conceivable argument has been made. This is just beating a dead horse now.

Edited by username2527 on May 5th 2019 at 8:53:40 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#161470: May 5th 2019 at 8:54:30 PM

It was Jackie but I don't think I've seen him around recently.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#161471: May 5th 2019 at 8:56:18 PM

[tup]Carrey

[tdown]Nichols

Can we please not do a relitigation for somone who we discussed every possible thing with only a few months before.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#161472: May 5th 2019 at 8:56:48 PM

Okay okay sorry. I felt the fact he couldn't be worse without Being Stupid Evil was something not discussed before and I don't recall anything like that being Brougt up, but I guess it dosent matter.

Again, sorry.

Edited by Kylotrope on May 5th 2019 at 9:05:50 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#161474: May 5th 2019 at 9:04:40 PM

Kylo, you wanna try me with 'nitpicks' now...

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#161475: May 5th 2019 at 9:06:33 PM

I...don't want to "Try" you with anything.

I edited it in case that sounded rude. I guess it's just I let the little things bug me.

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