During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
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- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
The Fugitive isn’t really that much of an action movie. The only sequences that qualify it for that really are the bus/train crash, the US Marshal raid and the helicopter chase on the roof (which is brief). There’s also the chase in the prison too I suppose.
EDIT: He KNOWS the damage that can be caused by the drug. He’s actively covering it up.
Vote is currently 6-3 and some abstains.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 4th 2019 at 8:16:41 AM
It's still an action movie though, so I think it should be held to the same standard as other action movies.
I know, but I don't fully agree that Kudrow counts(I'm not asking for him to be cut, I'm just stating my opinion). Also, I'm not sure if just distributing the drug is quite enough, especially since we have lots of other, more deliberately malicious action movie villains on the list.
Edited by falcontalons on May 4th 2019 at 8:37:23 AM
The drug goes wide, a lot of people can die. Mercury Rising is more of an action movie, Kudrow only kills at least four people (maybe five) and actively tries to kill two others. That’s not very high and he was approved.
Yeah one of Kudrow’s targets is a boy, but Nichols is purposely putting anyone who takes Provasic at risk and that indeed could be anyone.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 4th 2019 at 8:31:56 AM
Well, I guess my question is, is it just Fridge Horror that many people could die, or explicitly laid out; also, is Nichols the head of the company, or at least more than just a mere cog?
So, housecleaning:
- What are we doing about this writeup
?
- Scraggle (or anyone else): Is this writeup
for Sild okay, or can it be expanded?
- Dark Knight Returns Joker...what are we doing about that?
Yes to Mother Brain and Selene.
I will abstain on Nichols.
Here is my write up for Control:
- Star Trek: Discovery: Control is an A.I developed by Section 31 and the secret main villain of season 2. Originally developed by Section 31 to identify threats to be neutralized in order to protect sentient life, Control decides its directive to protect sentient life is futile. Instead, Control plans to evolve itself into the ultimate life form and destroy all other sentient life in the galaxy. Though pretending to still be under Star Fleet's control, Control has secretly murdered the admirals in charge of Section 31, using holograms to maintain this deception. Discovery has obtained a vast database of knowledge from a dying god-like alien and Control wants that database, believing this database will evolve it into a superior life form. Control takes over of Airiam (a cyborg member of the crew) forcing Airiam to try to murder Micahel Burnham and steal the database. When that fails, Control forcibly takes over the body of Captain Leland, a high ranking Section 31 agent. Later Control lures Burnham to a Section 31 ship, where it has murdered all the crew and secretly taken control of Gant, one of Michael's old crewmates, hoping to take control of Burnham as well. Ultimately Control assembles a large fleet of Section 31 ships manned by drones, intending to take the database from Discovery by force and willing to destroy anything that gets in its way.
Edited by Overlord on May 4th 2019 at 8:55:41 AM
Writeup time!
- ZombieWorld duology:
- Azzul Gotha is a monstrous necromancer who was imprisoned for worshipping evil worm gods. Released thousands of years later, Azzul sets out to end all human life, capturing Rebecca Dean to make her his bride and rule over an empire of death. To distract Major Damson, he turns Rebecca’s father into a giant monster and escapes to the cemetery, where he manipulates two cops to murder him and kickstarts the zombie apocalypse, which proceeds to decimate a majority of the earth’s population. Summoned by Alice to London, Azzul creates the Tree of Death, a series of underground tunnels that would summon the demonic Qlipoth to Earth, sacrificing several humans to summon some Qlipoth. Kidnapping Rebecca, he creates an apparition of her to have her spy on Damson, and tries to use her to unlock the Tree’s power.
- Tree of Death: The aforementioned Alice is a gothic Satan worshipper who views Azzul as the messiah of death. Sent to a mental institute for sacrificing humans to the Dark Lord, Alice escapes the hospital with the criminal Paul, sacrificing him to zombies in order to summon Azzul and cast aside her humanity. Serving as Azzul’s second-in-command, Alice assists her master in his plan to summon the Qlipoth to dominate the world. Jealous of Azzul’s affection for Rebecca, Alice tries to slowly kill Rebecca so that she can become Azzul’s bride and rule over the zombie world.
- Katana ZERO: V is a sadistic, Russian thug who also produces snuff films in his spare time. Hired by an unnamed employer to recreate and sell the drug Chronos, V has numerous Chronos scientists kidnapped, tortured, and murdered for information, while also assassinating possible competition. A method he loves is injecting his victim with Chronos so that the pain they feel will last longer under the drug’s effects. Allowing Dragon to murder his henchmen and even torturing his annoying neighbors to death on film, V later captures and tortures Dragon for interfering with his plans.
Edited by therealjackieboy on May 4th 2019 at 8:54:36 AM
It's Spooky Month!I think the general decision was to just rewrite his current entry for animated version to be his comic one (like add him poisoning dozens of children with an ice cream), since both versions are essentially the same (aside from one extra crime) and therefore there is no need for separate writeup.
Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 4th 2019 at 6:57:56 PM
Oh, speaking of Katana ZERO, a few weeks ago, free DLC has been announced that will continue the story. I will definitely be covering that when the time comes.
It's Spooky Month!- Good news: I finished both Vantu and Mother Brain's writeup. Saw Boss writeup will come up soon after I consult with 43110
- Bad News: Have to admit that the writeup of Mother Brain ended up pretty long though (Around 224 words despite the manga itself is around 16 chapters and that's a lot compared to Ridley). If you ask me, need to think on how to trim it at a later time but I could go either way keeping the length as it is and can ask Scraggle about that.
to everyone I missed. I find it interesting that Metroid has 2 C Ms but neither are Samus' most famous Arch Enemies. I guess they both kind of lack heinousness if I remember right and I don't think either have enough personality in the games.
BTW, if Joker's being slightly modified and moved to comics, we ALSO need to include his notable crimes (if applicable) from All-Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder, since it's the same continuity.

Eh...still unconvincing. Going with a "no" for Nichols.