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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160501: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:28:22 PM

I have no idea why George R.R. Martin went with such an unusual naming scheme, even compared to other fantasy books and their deconstructions, Blood and Cheese, is easily one of the most bizarre I have ever heard, at least Mycella and Theon are names that exist in the real world.

Edited by KnowoneknowswhoIam on Apr 30th 2019 at 7:28:42 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#160502: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:28:56 PM

Blood and Cheese aren't their actual names, that's why.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#160503: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:29:50 PM

[up][up][up] No, thank goodness for that. All they got was some electronics and money. All in all this has been a bad day for me.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 30th 2019 at 9:30:37 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160504: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:29:56 PM

I know that as well, but it is still weird, regardless of this little factoid.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#160505: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:30:52 PM

And christ, Bull, that's terrible. I'm so sorry for that..

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#160508: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:34:16 PM

Repostinn this since no one responded

Also I wanted to remove the Forced to Watch part of the King's write up. At least in the pacifist playthrough Lancer isn't forced to watch and actually leaves to get the other Darkers to stop the king. Does the king do that in a different runthrough?

KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160509: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:43:26 PM

Cersei Lannister also gradually is turning into a completely loveless sociopath, gradually but it is happening; i,e, cruelty to animals, cruelty to humans, cruelty to loved ones, along with sadism, enjoys having the aforementioned tortured, killed, given fates worse than death, her alleged 'sympathetic' backstory is shown to reinforce the worst traits already present, her love for her kids, supposedly being sole redeeming trait. As she loses them, her already near non-existent sanity disintegrates at a faster and faster pace, until she is more psychotic than the mad king ever was. While her evil acts only worsens, as a result of this.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#160510: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:45:28 PM

No one is asking you to like Cersei, or have sympathy for her. She just doesn’t count as a CM by our established standards

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#160511: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:46:15 PM

[up][up]The procedure is to make an Effort Post (EP) and submit it for discussion. If you want us to have any chance of taking your nominations seriously, you need to do this.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 30th 2019 at 7:53:02 AM

KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160513: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:48:22 PM

Please can you send me a link for the Effort Post (EP)? Please and thank you.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#160514: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:48:57 PM

I posted a link to it a couple of pages back, and it’s in papyru’s signature

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#160515: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:49:06 PM

Unless you have an effort post for us stop bogging down the thread discussing characters we already explained don't count.

Any answers to m deltarune question?

KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160517: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:50:10 PM

I do not know anything about Delta Rune, the others here probably do though.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#160518: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:50:36 PM

I’ve seen your dr question, but I can’t answer bc I only played pacifist. Sorry

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#160519: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:54:50 PM

papyru: King flat out says word-for-word "Now WATCH, Lancer! SEE what happens when you befriend Lightners!" when he's lifting Lancer by the neck and turning him to face his friends as he's attempting to execute them. And it's not specific to either route, it happens in both.

Edited by FriedWarthog on Apr 30th 2019 at 7:56:27 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#160520: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:57:05 PM

Sorry I guess I forgot that line.

KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160521: Apr 30th 2019 at 8:08:16 PM

I have few suggestions for the Fallout games, but I will start with Myron, he is introduced as annoying slimy coward, who claims to created the drug Jet, but he actually stole the recipe, from someone else, he perfected the stolen drug formula by testing it on captive slaves, the monster, and when called out for it, he openly wonders why the player character would and the player would be disgusted and upset at such a thing, goes on to brag endlessly about many lives he ruined, in his pursuit of perfecting the stolen Jet drug formula, and he is even killed in a drug den, by a Jet user, with his name and alleged achievement completely forgotten and unconcerned that he died.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#160522: Apr 30th 2019 at 8:10:22 PM

[up]If you think he qualifies, make an EP.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#160523: Apr 30th 2019 at 8:11:36 PM

You don't need to announce who you're going to EP just do it, it wastes time when you explain a character in the wrong format.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#160524: Apr 30th 2019 at 8:11:53 PM

[tup] to Z Ron of them being Always Chaotic Evil is An Informed Attribute.

[tdown] to Danny

Things are really about to get Fun around here
KnowoneknowswhoIam Since: Sep, 2018
#160525: Apr 30th 2019 at 8:11:54 PM

I am still getting used to using the wiki, I just need a link, since I am still very much a novice here. Please and thank you.


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