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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#160101: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:19:04 AM

Hey guys, guess what I found on Bob the Builder’s ymmv page:

  • Complete Monster: Conrad. Oh boy, for the show's first (and so far, only) real villain, he truly makes a first impression.
    • First, there's the way he treats his Mega Machines, which stands in sharp contrast to Bob. Bob always treats his machines like family, and is very forgiving when they make mistakes. Conrad, on the other hand, treats his machines like dirt, and always gets very mad when they don't follow his orders, going so far as to threaten them with being scrapped if they don't do as he says.
    • Second, we have the fact that, in an attempt to ruin Bob's good reputation, he decided to sabotage the concrete mix of the dam. When it starts leaking, and it's obvious that something's wrong, he doesn't let his mega machines help Bob and the others at all.

Clearly unapproved, and I highly doubt that Bob the Builder would even have an CM.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#160103: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:24:47 AM

[up][up] Never have I seen such horror in a villain. Clearly we are gonna have to cut everyone- no one can possibly match up to that.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#160104: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:28:40 AM

Oh! And yes to the candidate I missed. Anyways, here's Zio's rewrite:

  • Original: Zio is the mysterious dark figure leading the cult that worships Dark Force. He first appears when he threatens the principal who tried to send a rescue team to Zema. When the heroes travel there, they learn the whole population was turned to stone by Zio. When the heroes try to find the elixir that could cure Zema's curse, they learn that Zio decimated the town that had said elixir, as well as several other towns. In addition, he also destroys the bridge that connects to other cities by summoning a meteor. When the heroes try to shut down a power plant known as Nurvus, Zio took the android who could shut it down hostage. It was also revealed that Zio brainwashed some of the people on Motavia so that they would join his cult and preach to them that he will create a better world after he destroys Motavia. When the heroes fight Zio for the first time, he unleashes the Black Energy Wave on the heroes, leading to one of them getting mortally wounded. A fanatical sorcerer at his finest, Zio doesn't care if all living things on Motavia, including him, get wiped out in order to satisfy the Dark God that he worships.
  • Rewrite: Zio is the mysterious dark figure leading the cult that worships Dark Force. He first appears when he threatens the principal whotried to send a rescue team to Zema. When the heroes travel there, they learn the whole population was turned to stone by Zio. When the heroes try to find the elixir that could cure Zema's curse, they learn that Zio decimated the town that had said elixir, as well as several other towns. In addition, he also has his fanatical cult destroy the bridge that connects that town to other cities. When the heroes try to shut down a power plant known as Nurvus, Zio took the android who could shut it down hostage. It was also revealed that Zio brainwashed some of the people on Motavia so that they would join his cult and preach to them that he will create a better world after he destroys Motavia. When the heroes fight Zio for the first time, he unleashes the Black Energy Wave on the heroes, leading to one of them getting mortally wounded. A fanatical sorcerer at his finest, Zio doesn't care if all living things on Motavia, including him, get wiped out in order to satisfy the Dark God that he worships.

Okay, yes... This is still an older writeup of mine but before anyone burning bridges on this one. Bear with me for a second. The reason why I did the rewrite is not because for the sake of being a rewrite. This is due to the fact that another troper point out several inaccuracies and while I think he still qualifies, rewrite for an accurate entry doesn't hurt either. So yes, this will prevent the Edit War a little bit. Until then, thoughts?

Please read the text that I bolded thank you

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Apr 29th 2019 at 8:29:35 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#160105: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:31:06 AM

[up][up]I'm actually a little impressed - feels like it's been years since we've seen that sort of thing. The thread's apparently done that much, at least.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#160107: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:34:19 AM

Added that to the drafts.

And shit, I promise myself to continue search for more candidates in Phantasy Star... Sorry for procastinating guys!

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#160108: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:35:06 AM

Well, obviously cut that one.

For Zio? No issues with the edits. And for the one who proposed them? Basically just take edits to the thread to make sure everything matches up.

Cr0w, I leave the Arkn edit stuff to you. Yes to Ahriman upon reflection. I kinda passed him over as god, I hated that arc, so I never bothered to watch it again.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#160110: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:44:16 AM

So I'll submit the batch some time tonight, and then no earlier than Tuesday at noon I'll request locking for Supernatural & Hellboy (and start a new image-pickin' for the TV page).

Edited by ACW on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:56:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#160111: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:07:19 AM

Anyway Im back guys. Wifi is working again.

Things are doing okay now.

Will catch up.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#160112: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:09:43 AM

[up] Good to hear

[tup] to Deidranna, the UA duo, Morg and Tentative [tup] to Ahriman provided there are no agency issues

Edited by Libraryseraph on Apr 29th 2019 at 10:15:11 AM

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#160113: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:12:12 AM

@miraculous Aye! Welcome back... Trust me, you missed a lot of ride in the thread but I can't blame you for that.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#160114: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:17:26 AM

Welcome back miraculous.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:17:58 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#160115: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:21:32 AM

So from the top.

[tup]Doctor

[tup]Kreigkopf

[tup]Skeletor and Mumm-Ra

[tup]Max

[tup]Phantom

[tdown]Peter

[tup]Big Guy and Anaconda (Lol. Ill never not be amused that kids and ya books have stuff like this.)

[tup]Raden

[tup]Ootakemaru

[tup]robert

[tup]Nimue (Man Ive heard this movie is a wreak).

[tup]Archangel Michael (Hes his own trope. Would that work for his name ?)

[tup]Kalinka

[tup]Dae-du (Heard about this one from lighty. Really good keeper).

[tup]Quinking

[tup]Evil Power Master(Another for the stupid cm name list)

[tup]Sir Miles Axlerod and Professor "Z" (Huh? Actually yeah I guess they do count. Was kinda suprised that I didnt realise that one).

[tup]Sadler

[tup]Von everhard

[tup]Masaki

[tup][tup][tup]Syndrome. You guys made my day. (That also went really well withpout an explosion. Im impressed with you guys).

[tup]Ares (I barely remember this movie tbh)

[tup]Colonol Black

[tdown]Mia

[tup]Deidranna

[tup]Morg

[tup]Avericci

[tup]Hazel and Cha-Cha

[tup]Aihraman

Anybody I missed?

Edited by miraculous on Apr 29th 2019 at 7:21:51 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#160118: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:41:39 AM

I think "Cha-Cha" is ALSO one for the stupid names list [lol]

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#160120: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:42:41 AM

Michael, did you PM the person in question?

Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#160121: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:43:55 AM

[tup] to Avericci, Hazel, Cha-Cha and Ahriman.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#160122: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:44:57 AM

Yes to Ares, the Cars duo, Deidranna, Morg, Avericci, Hazel and Cha-Cha, Ahraiman, Colonel Black, Sadler, Von Everhard, Masaki, and Syndrome.

I am waiting for a few more Choose Your Own Adventure books from the library, I am going to get those, see if anyone counts and EP any relevant characters and then write up all the CYOA characters as a block. So there are 3 Choose Your Own Adventure monster entries now and I could add one or two more soonish.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#160123: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:47:12 AM

I have three fighting fantasy, maybe 4 potentials...maybe more.

....not helping is these are frigging hard

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#160124: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:50:41 AM

Theres such classics as Chicken wing, ringmaster jesus , shagnasty and evil santa.

We truly have such great named badguys, [lol]

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#160125: Apr 29th 2019 at 7:53:20 AM

[up] Don't forget "Glemmy Toto" and the uniquely-named "Donquixote Doflamingo".

Looks like Gamebooks will be the next CM page. What with the 3? from Lone Wolf, the several from Choose Your Own Adventure, and the Fighting Fantasy ones (Lighty's plus the dude we already have).

Edited by ACW on Apr 29th 2019 at 10:53:45 AM


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