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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#159001: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:03:03 PM

Unsurprising yes to Irons

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#159002: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:07:11 PM

Hamburger time: I got a Slenderman voted up and will post entires tomorrow. This weeks batch is big enough already.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#159004: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:15:00 PM

[up][up] Well, big enough, and the fact that I'm going to bed soon anyway [lol] (Yes, it's 8:15 my time. I'm a morning person tongue )

Edited by ACW on Apr 21st 2019 at 8:15:12 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#159005: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:23:29 PM

I've already taken the final Rebuild of Evangelion movie on MB and I think I'll do the same here if no ones minds. (Keeper is highly unlikely but given it's dark enough I figure it may be worth a shot).

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#159006: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:32:02 PM

More Evangelion? Hopefully it acts as a Mind Screwdriver for the franchise. I've not seen any of it, but I know it's INFAMOUSLY confusing. There's a reason Gainax Ending is a thing.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#159009: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:55:46 PM

Say, Lighty, hadn't you said something about a novelization of Alice Isn't Dead?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#159010: Apr 21st 2019 at 5:57:15 PM

Btw... Just a note:

Imma gonna claim the new Shonen Jump manga The Last Saiyuki for discussion at a later future. That manga nearly reminds me of Kimetsu no Yaiba so that's something to consider.

Also, I'm reading the manhwa called Solo Leveling so yeah...

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Apr 21st 2019 at 7:58:20 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#159012: Apr 21st 2019 at 6:03:05 PM

There’s a game demo of a Hearts or Iron mod I have reserved effottposting on the ep list that won’t be out until the end of 2019 and possibly early 2020 out in around a week or two for public release. Given how the King from Deltarune demo has been upvoted, I’m wondering, could we have an early discussion based on this demo?

There are around two qualifiers within the demo itself and from what I know, their influence is only within the story arc presented in the demo itself and they don't have the resources to compete with the bigger potential qualifiers in the full version.

Edited by xie323 on Apr 21st 2019 at 6:13:17 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#159013: Apr 21st 2019 at 6:19:43 PM

[tup] To God and the others.

Happy Easter everyone

Things are really about to get Fun around here
AgeOfTropeEmpire Handsome Head of Hyperion Since: Nov, 2018
Handsome Head of Hyperion
#159014: Apr 21st 2019 at 6:29:01 PM

[tup] to "God" and Irons

Having seen The Tick.....I think I can just give Hobbes a [tup]. I think he is only barely heinous enough, but heinous enough nonetheless

Now for the first Arrethtrae candidate who isn't Lucius or a Shadow Warrior

Who is Zane? What has he done?

Zane is the Starter Villain (in terms of Lucius's forces at least), and the older brother of one of the main heroes of the novels, Leinad.

Zane was a son of Peyton—one of the King's most loyal servants who was reduced to farming after a failure to stop Lucius lead to an entire castle being massacred—and was taught nobly alongside his twin brother while being warned about Lucius and his Shadow Warriors.

Due to his younger brother excelling over himself in training and his own lust for power, Zane waited until he was alone with his brother and brutally murdered him. Though he tried to cover this up, Zane was caught, scarred across the forehead as a mark of shame, and cast out of the land.

In a far away place he amassed an army he used to cause destruction throughout the kingdom, before he was approached by the Dark Knight Lucius and offered a position in his army.

Eagerly accepting, Zane leads Lucius to his father's home, giddily leaving his father to be executed by Lucius while Zane is ordered to murder a young boy who was spying on Lucius.

Zane sees a spark of fight in the boy and gives him a sword, proclaiming he's in the mood for a fight before he kills the boy..... unfortunately for Zane the boy is highly skilled and overcomes him, leaving Zane wounded.

Years later, Zane has risen in the ranks until finally, he is given the go-ahead by Lucius to lead a full-scale massacre of the capital of Arrethtrae, Chessington. As Zane leads his forces, cutting down many noble Knights as they near the city, he is confronted by the boy who defeated him years ago, who he realizes is Leinad, his brother who was unborn when he was banished.

Fighting Leinad while ordering his troops to wipe out Chessington, Zane is once again overcome by Leinad, who orders Zane to tell his troops to fall back and leave Chessington, forcing Zane to give his word he will leave peacefully or Leinad will end his life.

Zane gives the order to retreat, and Leinad puts his sword away as his Love Interest Tess approaches for a victory hug.....only for Zane to pull a dagger, fatally stab Tess in the gut, then order his army to attack again and kill everything in the city, leading them to charge once more as Leinad desperately tries to save Tess's life.

Luckily, even as Zane and his troops close in on the city, reinforcements arrive and send the army running. Zane is never seen again, so though it is a Foregone Conclusion that he dies at some point, whether it is at the hands of Lucius for failure or what is never specified.

Does Zane have a Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

No real ones, he hates his family and though he does give Leinad a sword to fight him with for "sport", it's nothing but Zane's Blood Knight features. He's all ready to murder Leinad (a 15 year old boy at this point), but sees "fight" in him and wants to kill him in battle because "it's more fun" (Zane's exact words).

Is Zane sufficiently heinous?

For someone who isn't a Shadow Warrior and has few resources, I'd say so. He killed his twin brother, hands his father over to Lucius to be killed, attempts to murder a boy he believes is mostly harmless, leads a war to wipe out Chessington and, even after being spared by Leinad and giving his word that he'll leave peacefully, he takes the opportunity to stab Tess and order the attack on Chessington continue.

Final Verdict?

Zane is a Starter Villain for the main plot, but still has familial murder and attempting to wipe out Chessington on his hands, not to mention his treacherous stabbing of Tess after being spared. [tup] from me.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#159015: Apr 21st 2019 at 6:44:31 PM

@Xie: Definitely!!

[tup] Zane

[tup] Irons

Watch me destroying my country
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#159016: Apr 21st 2019 at 6:45:15 PM

[tup] Zane.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#159017: Apr 21st 2019 at 6:49:28 PM

[tup] to Zane.

On an unrelated note, do you think this pic might work for Bellatrix?

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 21st 2019 at 6:49:51 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#159019: Apr 21st 2019 at 7:04:10 PM

[tup] Zane.

And holy shit did tonights GOT have me jumpy.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#159021: Apr 21st 2019 at 7:14:00 PM

[tup] to Zane and Irons.

The image seems fine.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#159022: Apr 21st 2019 at 7:26:05 PM

[up][up][up] Same here, Beast [lol]

[tup] Biohazard baddies and Zane

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#159023: Apr 21st 2019 at 7:30:54 PM

  • The Young Man: In this possible origin story written for SCP-106, Corporal Lawrence is a seemingly normal but unsettling soldier of the British Army in WWI, feared due to his emotional disattachment and love for nihilism. When Lawrence began to display his powers, he rotted away an enemy unit in a manner that stunned hardened soldiers. After the incident, Lawrence began to spread a disease along his unit, killing one of his fellow soldiers by disembowelling him. After his unit dies off, Lawrence was hospitalized before he attempted to sexually assault a nurse, an attack that cost her an eye and a few fingers. Lawrence is then institutionalized before he disappears, taking several patients with him and leaving their teeth behind for the staff to find.
  • Return of the Ghostbusters: Professor Klaus Konstantin is a paraplegic and egoistical madman seeking out the Amulet of Anubis in his quest for power, initially planning to sell the amulet as a weapon. After his a failures, Konstantin learns that he needs to sacrifice human souls to work. He steals the Ghostbusters gear, stealing the soul of a homeless man who annoyed him, and steals dozens of others, framing the Ghostbusters and ruining their reputation. Having a crush on April Young, he stalks her at her apartment and steals the soul of her landlord for stopping him. Konstantin then opens a portal to the underworld that threatens the city of Denver, revealing his plan to summon the death god Ammut, and destroy humanities souls, sparing only those who worship him as a god.
  • Fear Itself: From Something With Bite, The Beast Killer, real name Forrest J. Cadwell is a man obsessed with werewolves and becoming one, stands in contrast with the benevolent werewolves seen in this episode. Donning a makeshift werewolf outfit, he goes around killing multiple people across the city in a manner that they are mistaken for animal attacks. His reasons for doing so is to attract the attention of real werewolves and fulfill his dream of becoming one. In one instance, he mauls Kayla, a friend of such a werewolf named Wilbur, but is unable to kill her when he's scared off by police. When Wilbur confronts him, Cadwell questions if he's upset about Kayla, stating he intends to finish her off at the hospital.
  • Twisted: Vikram Desai, Danny's father is revealed to be the perpetrator of the murders and ruining his son and families lives and reputations. Vikram had a number of affairs in his life, and as part of a coverup, murders his own sister by strangulation and emotionally manipulating a young Danny into taking the blame. Years after Danny is released from juvie, Vikram has since faked his death and been having a secret affair with Gloria Crane and Vikram blackmails her teenage daughter Regina to silence; implicitly having an affair with her too. When Regina says she will reveal the truth to Danny, Vikram has her beaten to death and comes up with a plan to have Danny framed with the help of both Gloria and a corrupt investigator. When Danny finally confronts him, Vikram insists he did was for the good of his family and loved ones, while Danny shoots down his claims and says Vikram is only out for himself. Vikram then attempts to kill Danny's friend Jo, and attacks Danny telling him that it's all his fault.
  • Slender: The Arrival: This rendition of the Slenderman communicates a more deliberately malicious personality in its rare messages. A being responsible for centuries of disappearances, Slenderman has stalked the Matheson family for generations. A notable instance it terrorizes and abducts young Charlie Matheson from his parents, mutilating him into a emaciated corpse like creature in constant pain, later causing Charlie's father to commit suicide. When Carl Ross and Kate investigate the disappearances and find out knowledge of Slenderman keeps it around, Carl tries to kill himself and Kate to stop Slenderman, only for Kate to be taken and turned into the ravenous Chaser as part of it's plans. Following Kate's friend Laura as she uncovers the truth, she eventually jumps off a tower, only for it to try to keep her alive to continue its influence. In its messages, the Slenderman indicates it sees death and torment as a game to play on humans, and in a secret level displays this by burning a helpless victim alive before killing her.

Edited by Beast on Apr 21st 2019 at 10:21:07 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#159024: Apr 21st 2019 at 7:59:17 PM

[tup] to God, Hobbes, Slender Man

However, the Slender entry says "later causing Charlie's father committing suicide." Could that be changed to "later causing Charlie's father to commit suicide"?

Edited by SumDumNerd on Apr 21st 2019 at 9:06:51 AM

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#159025: Apr 21st 2019 at 8:21:16 PM

Fixed.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

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