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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#157351: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:02:33 PM

[tup] Chun and Morgo. Changing to [tdown] on Brooke.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#157352: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:17:38 PM

[tup] to Morgo.

I guess action shows must be my niche.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#157353: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:28:36 PM

YA novels for me and weirdly with an emphasis on Paranormal Romance

You'd be amazawd at what they can produce.... [lol].

I think I've added most of the cms that are in the examples on the index from Literature at this point.

Edited by miraculous on Apr 9th 2019 at 12:32:34 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#157354: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:39:12 PM

[tup] to Morgo

Alright moving on from that Augustine fiasco, I’ve just found not one but two candidates from the Call of Duty series that are worth discussing. My first candidate comes from the latest COD game Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 so lets talk about that game.

What’s the Work?

Black Ops 4 is the 4th installment (or 5th if you count World at War) of the Black Ops sub-series where it forgoes the traditional single player campaign for three multiplayer/co-op storylines.

The first storyline are the specialist mission serving as a tutorial taking place between 2 and 3 to which we’ll not get into much detail because no one counts there. The second storyline is the Aether Arc continuing the Zombie Myth Arc from the previous black ops games which I will get to later.

The third storyline is the Chaos Arc which is its own Zombie Storyline completely separate from the Aether Arc revolving around a treasure hunter’s daughter and her allies trying to find her father as he gets kidnapped by The Order led by this guy, The High Priest Of Chaos.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

The High Priest Of Chaos is the leader and founder of a fanatical cult referred to as “The Order”, whose goal is to access the Library of Nine, and harness the power of Prima Materia, an extremely dangerous substance sealed by the Nine that can horrifically transform humans, all for his desire to control humanity and rule the world.

He would get other people to join his Order by killing them and resurrect them with the Scepter of Ra, thus under his his complete control and his brainwashed followers to go travel to the future to spread the Order’s influence.

The Order would eventually come to blows with Alistair Rhodes where under the High Priest’s orders would kidnapped Alistair and kill, resurrect, and brainwash his butler Godfrey where he would then be forced to use a Sentinel Artifact to kill everyone attending Godfrey’s party in his mansion either by turning them into zombies or having the zombies eat the other guests, before burning the mansion down.

However, Alistair’s daughter Scarlet kills Godfrey and some members of the Order where she would learn of The Order’s existence, the High Priest’s diabolical plans to forcibly transform everyone in the world to zombies under his control so that he may rule over them, and her father’s efforts to stop the High Priest. She would then track down three of her father’s most trusted allies where together they would complete her father’s mission and stop The Order led by the High Priest.

On board the Titanic, the four would try to steal the Odin Artifact from the Order. However on the High Priest orders a brainwashed follower of his would use the Artifact to forcibly turn everyone of the ship into zombies. Luckily the four escape and proceed to travel to the Greek City of Delphi where they would be transported back in time to a Roman Colosseum in Egypt.

In the Colosseum, The High Priest would use a Sentinel Artifact to forcibly turn all his slaves into zombies and force them to complete the Trial of Ra to open the gate to Delphi or else they will get eaten and killed by the High Priest’s zombies. After completing the Trial of Ra the High Priest would have the four beheaded.

Luckily they manage to escape the High Priest’s clutches, go back to their timeline and explore the City of Delphi, where it would also be revealed that the High Priest had killed, resurrected, and brainwashed one of Scarlet’s allies, Bruno, and would have him kill resurrect and brainwash one of Scarlet’s other ally Shaw.

Frudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

Nope. Along with having one of the most obvious bad guy names, the High Priest of Chaos just an evil and cruel megalomaniac whose reasons for wanting to turn everyone in the world to zombies is so that he can rule over them and the world and holds no care for his brainwashed acolytes merely using them as tools for his plans for world domination.

Heinousness

Killing and then resurrecting to brainwash numerous people to serving his order and have them reek havoc throughout the world forcibly turning a lot of people into zombies and also forcibly turn his slaves into zombies to kill the protagonist, and also has done this before for entertainment purposes, the High Priest has a body count of at least hundreds if not thousands.

The end reveals that the Oracle is Medusa who was manipulating the four into freeing her and has turned her father and two members of the Order into stone and plans to rule the world herself and might be considered a candidate in the future if the Chaos Story Arc continues, but as of now, the High Priest clearly out-heinousness Medusa by a wide margin and given that he had Alistar kidnapped, he definitely played a part in Alistar’s petrification.

Final Verdict

I’ll leave that to you guys.

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 9th 2019 at 9:39:55 AM

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papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#157355: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:40:14 PM

I'm starting to look into webcomics myself, I'm keeping up with a few ongoing ones and starting a few older ones, When it comes to people I've actually proposed, 3 are from action movies.

[tup] to the High Priest of Chaos

Edited by papyru30 on Apr 9th 2019 at 1:45:11 PM

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#157357: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:43:02 PM

[tup]High Priest

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#157358: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:50:11 PM

Yes to Chun and Morgo. No to Brooke.

Yes to High Priest. A Karma Houdini?

Happy belated birthday bobq and Erazor.

Edited by emperors on Apr 9th 2019 at 3:51:19 PM

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#157360: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:52:47 PM

High Priest a Karma Houdini for now?

Yes to him. AT LEAST the second CM for Fred Tatasciore.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#157361: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:58:17 PM

4th. Hes Witch doctor and Megatron

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#157362: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:17:27 PM

Tuesday is normally on the late end for last week's entries, but I've noticed that the stuff from last week hasn't even been submitted to the edit request forum yet. Is there a problem with last week's entries?

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#157364: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:31:28 PM

Sure to Morgo and High Priest. But who's Chun?

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#157365: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:34:14 PM

[up][up][up] The mods were a bit behind; I'm waiting for them to catch up first and then I'll submit.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#157366: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:35:42 PM

[tup] High Priest. Abstain on Brooke, having played Infamous Second Son, she did seemed genuine in wanting to protect the conduits, but the whole experimenting on them bit makes it a bit hard for her claims to be considered genuine.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#157367: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:38:11 PM

[up][up][up] This guy. Maybe I should have said Chao; I was just going by what therealjackieboy called him.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#157369: Apr 9th 2019 at 2:10:11 PM

[tup] High Priest

Switching to [tdown] on Brooke

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#157370: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:15:34 PM

[tup] High Priest.

I've seen Shazam! so you all know what to do.

...Not sure if I really have a gimmick. I tend to sort of pick up slightly more obscure villains, I guess... but I did get Injustice!Brainiac up and he's very not obscure. Not to mention Mahvelvscapcom!Ultron. So I'm the guy who got two evil robot(?) villains from comic books' fighting game adaptations up.

That's not a mouthful.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#157371: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:49:12 PM

I dont think I have a particularly huge niche. But I'm mostly covering animanga stuff. Man it would be so nice if I ended up getting out from my comfort zone and cover several works that are not Animanga but its pretty hard to do so.

Heck, I would love to cover more Webcomics, Western Animation, Video Games or Visual Novel at later future but its pretty hard to do so (If you dont count Webcomics)

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#157372: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:49:37 PM

I'm The SMT Guy, and I kinda want to be The Vertigo Guy too.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#157373: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:06:01 PM

I'm probably not gonna get a Webcomics example, and definitely not a Visual Novels one. Western Animation will be tricky.

I've gotten everything else.

At Marvel Literature, Ravok got the Marvel Novel stuff and most of the others; at the 90s section, except for Belasco (Scraggle I believe), everything else was Overlord (the 1st 3, D'Spayre, Hobby, MODOK, Sinister) and myself (Kreeg, Strucker, Carnage, Nadir, Ultron, Doc Ock). However, we've pretty much exhausted those books.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#157374: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:27:47 PM

It's no mystery that i'm the KR guy [lol]

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#157375: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:39:16 PM

My second candidate comes from the Aether Arc that spans to all the Black Ops games (including World At War) and is also known as Call of Duty: Zombies. So lets talk about that story

What’s the Work?

The Aether Arc is a Myth Arc that spans throughout all the Black Ops games. The basic premise revolves around four soldiers, an American, a Russian, a Japanese, and a German as the work together to dare I say it kill Zombies. Now the candidate in question is the Shadow Man.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

The Shadow Man is the Big Bad of the Black Ops III zombies storylines as well as the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire Zombies Myth Arc. Originally a Keeper, The Shadow Man would lead a group of other keepers into the Dark Aether where they would soon be transformed into evil creatures called Apothicons. The Apothicons led by The Shadow Man would end up going to war with the other keepers which led to the Apothicons and the Shadow Man being sealed inside the Dark Aether.

However The Shadow Man sent an unstable substance that turns people into zombies called Element 115 to various dimensions knowing the humans there would abuse causing zombies to appear leading to mass loss of life and the destruction of their worlds. An example would involved using Element 115 to turn Brutus into a zombie and have him turn everyone in Alcatraz into zombies in Mob of the Dead and Blood of the Dead.

The Shadow Man use also create the Aether Pyramid or MPD and uses that to drive German Scientist Edward Richtofen into the brink of insanity, where the Shadow Man would have Richtofen use the “Group 935” project to turn everyone into zombies, experiment on Dr. Maxis daughter Samantha resulting in her becoming an amoral monster that can control zombies, and eventually having Richtofen Destroy his own dimension Ultimis.

The Shadow Man would manage to infiltrate the 63rd dimension where he would come to the reporter whom he manipulated by using the guise “Mr.Rapt” into giving him an ancient artifact known as the Summoning Key so that he can unleash the Apothicons to reek havoc throughout thedimensions. However Primis Richtofen (he’s the Good version) intercepts the reporter before he could give the Summoning Key to the Shadow Man, which resulted in the Shadow Man killing the reporter.

The Shadow Man would then manipulate four individuals into killing someone then brand them with the Apothicon Mark of the Beast, resulting in zombies and other horrible creatures appearing in Morg City in their dimension. He would exploit the fours desires for atonement by trick them into opening the Apothicon Rift resulting a giant Apothicon Beast to arrive and reek havoc across the 63rd dimension. Luckily Primis Richtofen and the Keepers arrives to trap the Shadow Man inside the summoning key and put an end to his Apothicon rampage… or so it seems.

As Primis Richtofen and his allies travel to Doctor Monty’s perfect world, he manipulates Maxis there to release him while The Shadow Man traps Maxis inside the Summoning Key. The Shadow Man would then unleash the Apothicons to Monty’s perfect world resulting in the world being fractured while having the Apothicons to destroy the multiverse.

Luckily Primis Richtofen would use the Summoning Key, powerful book called the Kronorium and S.O.P.H.I.A., kill The Shadow Man and seal the Apothicon and Dark Aether ending The Shadow Man’s reign of terror for good.

Frudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

Okay The Shadow Man was described to be Dr. Monty’s best friend before he and the other Keepers went to the Dark Aether and became Apothicons. However I would not describe The Shadow Man being completely influence by the Dark Aether as he reveals that he has taken pride in his transformation into an Apothicon and didn’t regret going to the Dark Aether in the first place.

The Shadow Man allowed the Dark Aether to transform him and the other keepers into becoming an Apothicon so that he can become more powerful while gladly discarding his previous identity when he was a Keeper and all his actions were done by his own choice rather than being influenced by the Dark Aether. I believe this is a similar circumstance to the likes of Lord Commander from Final Space.

As for any redeeming qualities he discard them all the moment he became an Apothicon. He no longer values his former friendship with Monty, even willing to destroy his world and try to kill Monty without any remorse and his loyalties to the other Apothicons just stems from using them to destroy all the dimension in the universe for his own agenda rather than any care for them. He does pay the reporter pretty well, but that doesn't mean anything when you plan to destroy his dimension and kill the reporter when he’s of no use to him again without any remorse.

Heinousness

Orchestrating the destruction of multiple dimensions and worlds, turn the whole human population in said dimensions and worlds into zombies or other unholy abominations, and driving numerous people into insanity and have them commit atrocities for him, The Shadow Man more than clears it by a wide margin.

Richtofen, Brutus Maxis, and his daughter have done some pretty horrible stuff but have militating factors, with Richtofen being driven to insanity by The Shadow Man, Maxis having a daughter he seems to care for, said daughter being turned into a monster by a Shadow Man influence Richtofen, and Brutus being turned into a zombie by The Shadow Man twice. Even then they are result of The Shadow Man’s scheming and manipulation making him responsible everything they have done.

The Stinger implies that Dr. Monty will be the next Big Bad after the Shadow Man’s death, but as it stand Monty’s going to pull off something very horrible to come even close to the heinous standard set by the Shadow Man served as the ultimate villain of the whole zombie Myth Arc up until his death in Revelations with everything bad thing prior to that event being traced back to the Shadow Man. overall The Shadow Man is Call of Duty's version of Satan.

Final Verdict

I’ll leave that to you guys.

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 9th 2019 at 3:31:42 AM

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